Liontamer

NP, I'll hit you up tonight after work, Brandon.

Friday, September 3 to Sunday, September 5 Washington State Convention & Trade Center, Seattle, WA http://www.paxsite.com/paxprime/ Time for PAX once again. Tycho, Gabe, Khoo and crew have some fine musical tastes, so we're ready to make some noise again out west! OCR joins the 7th annual PAX Prime in Seattle for our 3rd PAX panel! PANEL! OverClocked ReMix: Video Game Music Community Raven Theatre Friday, September 3rd, 1:30pm Video Game Music ROCKS! For over 10 years, OverClocked ReMix (http://ocremix.org) has been remixing your favorite video game music! Join us again at PAX as we cover the ins and outs of the site, challenge you with VGM trivia, give away exclusive prizes (physical albums GET!), and share news about current and upcoming album projects, including Mega Man X and Final Fantasy 9! LET'S GO! \m/ Panelists Include: djpretzel, Liontamer, Palpable, diotrans, Jillian Aversa (pixietricks) Representing OC ReMix: djpretzel diotrans Liontamer Palpable Jillian Aversa SCHEDULE!

What was the problem?

I don't care about the level of detail involved. The cut-and-paste structure was a total dealbreaker, e.g. the same exact chorus at :52, 1:37, 2:22 & 3:07. It got old, it really needs further variations to justify the length. It wouldn't even have to be melodically, but with the supporting writing. I love the instrumentation, which was very personalized, but the relatively conservative interpretation paired with the repetition is a no-go. oov, your work is good, this just needs some further development to make it a complete product. NO (resubmit)

Disturbed by Scott Stapp. :'-( Happy birthday otherwise. But very disturbed. :'-(

Do a barrel roll!

Dunno why'd you'd want to, but go for it (as long as it was originally written for the game).

Nice work!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crack_intro Yeah, in agreement. It's just stuff that wasn't originally created for the game, so they're not valid game music source tunes, they're something else entirely.

Plugged it on Facebook. Wish I was in the area!

No, that's not a good example. Production quality has nothing to do with whether something's a standards violation. "Collision" wasn't rejected on just "a name and similarities to something else." That would be like rejecting a mix for tributing/emulating someone else's style. The mix name also wouldn't matter. "Collision" used substantial portions of a non-VGM song, which we don't allow any more.

It's Hyadain. That's all you gotta say. Welcome!

It didn't bother me enough to even take issue with it, but on reading zircon's vote, I'll co-sign with him on the production/balance causing areas that arguably made the arrangement seemed aimless/unfocused. Again though, I didn't think those choices negatively affected the track enough for me to go NO. I thought it was a case where there was enough going on that worked, and that won out over what didn't work.

Hahah! My fault for forgetting "Angel." Otherwise, I couldn't disagree with you more. The source tunes are not "heavily interpreted" to the point of unrecognizability OR being marginalized in this track. The source tunes are in play at practically every point in the arrangement. You're arguing that the songs are changed like someone keeping the rhythms but altering the notes to escape copyright, such as someone altering the Jeopardy theme in a car commercial. I'm aware of that, and understand your soundalike POV, I just don't agree with you. Looks like your "soundalike" is my "arrangement and interpretation." We'll let the panel fight it out. But, hell, let your vote stand. And while you're at it, you can take back your YES vote on http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR01342/ on the same grounds.

[swoops in for the save] Damon set himself up (and did himself a disservice) by saying, "I tried to make this mix without relying too heavily on the original songs, so you won't find alot of the original sources in there, yet you can tell that they are present." Shariq & Deia, y'all certainly took THAT and ran with it. He also messed himself up by subbing this as a Sonic 3 mix, when the majority of it is Sonic & Knuckles. So if this passes, I'll be classifying it as S&K. Damon, your lack of clarity in subbing this mix nearly botched this. I'm assuming the other Js aren't as familiar with the Lava Reef themes, either one or both. That said, y'all need to revote. The only thing subtle about this mix is the volume and mood, NOT the source usage. IceCap Zone: Act 1: Lava Reef Zone: Act 1: Lava Reef Zone: Act 2: :00-:19 - Pretty obvious IceCap melodic arrangement to open things up. :19-:39 - The arranged IceCap melody continued to be used in the background, but was positioned too far back to be heard well. It practically doesn't count. :40-45, :50-:55 - Lava Reef 1 chorus is used in those sections. 1:00-1:20 - Back to the arranged IceCap melody on strings. The sequencing/attacks of the strings sounded extremely rigid and fake. You should really fix that, Damon. String sequencing continues to be a weak point; round out your game. 1:20-1:50, 1:55-2:00 - The IceCap string melody from 1:00 continued in the background quietly, but easily audible. 1:40-2:22 - The glassy Lava Reef 2 melody is quietly in the foreground, continuing on top until 2:20, interacting with both the arranged IceCap stuff, and some wholly original writing. 2:20-2:40 - Arranged Lava Reef 2 countermelody on strings. 2:40-3:00 - Arranged Lava Reef 2 melody on strings & glassy lead, with the strings doing some occasional original writing. 2:59-3:20 - Lava Reef 2 melody glassy lead on top of original writing. 3:20-3:40 - Lava Reef 2 countermelody on plucked strings, follow by a wholly original close. You know how I feel about your string work, Damon, you really need to iron out the kinks, as it holds your work back. That said, they didn't hugely dent this otherwise creative, laid-back arrangement. Great work on this, with some absolutely excellent weaving and interplay of the various themes. Sometimes the other judges get wax in their ears and foul up a call. I've certainly done it and had the backup of my fellow Js to point out what I'm missing and set things straight. Once everyone's on the same page, this should pass without a problem. YES

In short, yes. Please credit the ReMix title, the ReMixer(s) that made the track, and mention that it's freely available from http://ocremix.org http://ocremix.org/info/Content_Policy

Studio, by far. I'm not much of a fan of live performances/concerts in general. For VGM, that's not the case, but when it's a question of whether I'd rather hear a mainstream act live or with post-production, post wins easily. I'd rather hear everything polished.

Happy Birfday!

Yeah, I'll chime in way after the fact and co-sign with this. I'm REALLY surprised this got so many YESs when this was extremely repetitive, and not dynamic or evolving significantly at all. The 1:34 cut-and-paste structure of the arrangement (with a quiet synth line being the only major addition) was really boring & disappointing, only to be retread AGAIN at 3:32. The drum loop got tired and should have been changed up within the course of the track. What's here was a decently fleshed out WIP with a good starting take on the source, but it's not nearly developed enough. NO (resubmit)

The shaker was too loud and mechanical, the tambourine performance sounded too rigid and fake, the piano also sounded too rigid. The timing just sounded sloppy when the beats coincided with the melody. The way the vox came in at 4:09, it doesn't get more n00b than that with the timing, it's just embarrasing. The atmosphere's not the worst thing I've ever heard, but that was the only thing that wasn't a complete mess. This was not polished or cohesive at all. NONE of the textures formed sounded entirely purposeful, they all just sounded careless and sloppy. Besides the issues with the samples, sequencing & textures, :36-2:36 & 3:38-4:09 had nothing to do with the source, as far as I could tell. That would be more than half the track with no direct connection to the source material, which is too much. OA/DA/DS, what were y'all smoking? I don't want whatever you guys had, because it's clearly bad shit. Sorry Alex, but I'm hearing nothing positive that didn't seem a result of dumb luck, and what little DID click didn't click for long. There's a way to effectively pull off a haphazard structure, and this is not it. Take the advice of the NOs to polish this up so that this actually locks together and half the sounds don't sound cheap, mechanical, mistimed and out of place. NO (resubmit)

Except, that would be wrong. Awful reasoning. "It sounds Final Fantasy-esque." Well, congratulations, now any similar sounding track deserves to be considered a viable ReMix with that kind of slippery slope. When nearly 2/3rds of the track has little-to-nothing to do with the source, the source material is not dominant. It felt like it was being paid lip service and that's was it. Deia's breakdown was pretty much mine. I had :02-:26, :37-:40, 1:35-2:00, 3:11-3:43 as areas of source usage. That was 84 seconds out of a 3:43-long track, so about 36.7% source usage. The source tune's not even close to being the focus here. The track, of course, sounds great in a vacuum. However, YESing this would be arbitrary and completely inconsistent with the guidelines. NO

It is the first ReMix for a game where the platform as specified by the ReMixer was PS3. We typically go by the ReMixer's preference when it comes to cross-platform games.

I remember all the thread-fighting like, "It was good, but it wasn't THAT good". Except it's Hiroki Kikuta's favorite Secret of Mana OC ReMix. He told djp and I first, then when Harmony showed up 10 minutes later, he sang some of the guitar parts and told him the track was "fantastic." http://twitter.com/Hiroki_Kikuta/status/20039622078 Winner winner, chicken dinner!

Don't do it! He'll take you up on it!

EDIT: U.S. Residents only. Apologies for anyone from abroad wanting to enter. Though if you send it, it wouldn't be used for the contest, you never know who'd listen to it, so it may not be a lost cause to send in something anyway. - Larry FYI guys, Capcom asked us to let you know about this contest, which has an August 11th deadline. Sorry for the short notice, but we want to make sure you still know about it and get your entry in! http://www.bioniccommando.com/rearmed2/