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FEEDBACK NEEDED: Submission Standards Revision
Liontamer replied to djpretzel's topic in Site Issues & Feedback
If "at all times" you mean a ReMix has to be arranging from the source material at any point in the track no matter what, that's completely wrong. That would leave no leeway for original writing/sections. Club Showdow: That was our mistake in the first place. Once BGC gave a breakdown along with a comparison MP3, the connections were apparent, plus his revisions did more in the first part to connect the arrangement to the original. Rhodes to the Past: More of a case of being too close than being unconnected. Strolling the Mines: The original additions would have been fine if the melody itself hadn't been near-verbatim and the instrumentation hadn't been practically the same as the original. -
Another Soundscape/CHz/Dhsu/DragonAvenger/Fishy: I've already added you into the system, so there's no need to register. To get your new password, go to http://www.vgfrequency.com/wp-login.php?action=lostpassword and request a new one. I used the email address in your OCR forum profiles as your email addresses for the new blog site. Please let me know when you have successfully gotten access. Anyone else that can write WELL about video game music and the arrangement scene, let me know of your interest, and if you're bueno I can get you set up. You have to be ok with representing OC ReMix via your work. If you don't like the site... :'-(
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Hey Larry, I tried twice to email my submission to the submissions@ocremix.org addy and kept getting failure notices. So, I figured I'd just send it your way if thats cool. Here's the info: Remix Name: Out of This World - Stranded Suite Contact Info: Real Name: Rich Douglas Email: rdouglas@sbcglobal.net Website: http://www.thq.com User Id: 7038 Remix Info: Game Remixed: Out of This World / Another World Additional Info: Music Composed By Jean Francois Freitas, released on PC, SNES, Genesis, Amiga Links to source material: Unfortunately there really isn't much in the way of chiptunes available for this game.. so I found in game footage on youtube which I'll utilize as my source for you guys to crosscheck the validity of my suite. My suite is broken up into 5 sections which are as follows: Logos / Menu - from 00:00 to 00:15 This is a darker slower rendition of the logo / menu sequence which can be heard from 00:03 to 00:13 here: =Lesters Lab - from 00:15 to 2:16 The first minute or so of this is completely original up until 01:08 in my suite. At that point the string motif is fairly dead on (all the way through the female chorus I put in) from 02:46 to 03:50 here: There is one chiptune for this cue which can be heard here: http://www.exotica.org.uk/tunes/unexotica/games/Another_World.html Another World - from 02:17 to 03:35 I had to find some way to work in the discovery piano theme heard throughout the game, so I put in an original ambient lead up from 02:17 to 03:08 which utulizes the 2 bass notes that accompanies the piano later on. At 03:08 the piano discovery theme is note for note and can be heard from 06:30 to 06:40 here: Action - from 03:36 to 04:23 There are variants of this theme heard throughout the game, but my main influence stems from the beast chase near the beginning of the game. I utilized many of the motifs from the original and of course added in some more orchestration and electronics. It can be heard from 05:46 to 06:39 here: The End - from 04:23 to 05:05 As I didn't feel like the original end cue fit the vibe, I made my own which utilizes the string motif heard in Lesters Lab once again... only this time it sounds a bit more hopeful. Additional Comments: Like my Flashback Memory Leak suite submitted a couple of months ago I approached this as if I was going to score an Out of This World remake or film and make it sound as epic as possible through the use of a full orchestra, choir, and a slew of synths (mainly an old yamaha DX7). This is a game that really blew me away when I first played it and the music (however sparse it was) was fairly catchy... mainly that discovery piano theme and the action music. I opted to utilize a fair amount of reverb, raido delay, and EQing to give the music more of a spacious alien feel. I understand that this is... once again... a fairly unorthodox sort of mix and the lack of chiptunes definately doesn't help either. If you have any questions please feel free to pm or email me. Rich ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks to Rich for the thorough explanation regarding the arrangement, including the much appreciated YouTube links for easy reference. The source usage is obvious once you check those out. Using Rich's cue names, here's how I'd break down the actual source usage per each section: Logos/Menu: :00-:18 Lester's Lab: 1:08-2:15 Another World: 3:08-3:33 Action: 3:37-4:23 The End: 4:23-4:58 So for 5:02's worth of music, there was 3:11's worth of arrangement. Honestly, I would have just passed this along for DP, but I just had to be sure of what was there, plus the rest of us get to check it out. The only changeup I wasn't feeling was the one into the ending section at 4:23, which was just abrupt and had no meaningful transition. Too bad. I was loving everything else though. I really liked the difference in the treatment of Lester's Lab comparing the middle (1:08-2:16) and the last section (4:23-4:28). The electronic stuff in the foreground above the Lester's Lab strings until 1:50 was a great idea. The Another World section was another good expansionist take and cranked up the tension that was already in the source's writing. The dynamics were excellent, and the louder portions of Rich's orchestration were full of bombastic energy, in this case the Logos/Menu and Action sections. Very up in your face. Solid stuff, and a great addition to the site. If this doesn't draw GrayLightning out from the dead, nothing will. He was sad that we had to remove our only Out of This World mix for being too close to the original. He'd get a kick out of this one. Way to go for arranging under-appreciated games. First Flashback and now this. Awesome. Rich has an arrangement from a more familiar game coming up next, and it's sure to be good stuff as well. I'm looking forward to it. Say it with me now... YES!
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Contact Info Remixer Name: Mykel Francys (forum name) Real Name: Michael Mercurio (preferred name) E-mail Address: mike_merc2002@hotmail.com Website: None UserID: 5418 Remix Info Game: Shenmue Song Remixed: Main Theme Remix Title: Boldly Lost Composer Comments: This is my very first submission...anywhere. I don't have any formal musical training (or any training for that matter). I can't read notes, I don't know any of the fancy terms or Italian phrases, and I probably will never get anywhere with any of this. Now that the self-deprecation is out of the way, I HAVE taken a couple of odd semesters at my local community college. For what it's worth, my current major is music production technology. It was here that I was able to record this piece. As I said, I'm still not familiar with any of the technical terms (I suppose that's what I've been going to school for on and off). I DO know that I did it through a keyboard hooked up to a Mac. I used Reason for the instrument patches. There are no pre-recorded loops, sampling, or any sort of time-automation. Everything was done in real time...with me performing with one instrument patch, recording it, playing it back, and then recording another instrument over it...and so on. Since everything was performed "free-hand" in this manner, it most likely will not match up with any automated time signature. It does however, sound "pretty." Well, at least my ex thinks so. Thus, without further ado I present to you my take on the main theme from Shenmue...which I have entitled Boldly Lost. Enjoy! You will tell me if it doesn't completely suck, won't you? --------------------------------------------------------- Shenmue Chapter 1 ~ Yokosuka Original Sound Track - (101) "Shenmue ~ Sedge Tree (Original Version)" The arrangement seemed like a pretty easy pass to me. The piano, particularly the left hand, was exposed and more mechanical sounding at times. While definitely a significant negative, those issues didn't dent the arrangement quality enough for me. The left hand was definitely the weaker part of the arrangement, not only exposing the sample, but also feeling meandering in places in part to being so loud. Personally, I don't mind a NO on that level. There was some complaints in the judges channel about the left-hand writing being too repetitive as well, but there was enough variation in the long run for me to be OK with it. I thought the piano lead combined nicely with the string support, with the overall tone/feel of the track not being too similar to the original. The stated lack of time signature didn't hurt the piece either, as I didn't get any sense of a lack of cohesion between the instruments. The dynamics could have been more pronounced, but the dynamic changes were there and were due to increased intensity in the instrumentation rather than mere volume changes, so I was OK with that as well. Not without its flaws due to that left-hand piano part pulling the track down (the only thing I'd really NO it on), but the overall execution was solid enough. YES (borderline) The letter and complete lack of searchable information seems sketchy, so we'd have to look into it further if this passes. Dunno how exactly, but I suppose we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
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Original Decision: http://www.ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10379 The Link to the mix: ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------- Contact Info * Your ReMixer name : Red Rum * Your real name : Greg Costa * Your email address : * Your website : http://www.myspace.com/ygmaniackob1 * Your userid : 15997 ReMix Info * Name of game(s) ReMixed : Streets of Rage 2 * Name of individual song(s) ReMixed : Streets of Rage Super Mix * Your own comments about the mix, for example the inspiration behind it, how it was made, etc. Well, personally I like to remix and remixing is what I do. But I just had to take that extra step on this song. I'm not one for Breakdowns on drums nor extra compositions, I usually keep my mixes traditional. But on this remix, I went all out. I recently submitted this song before and OC said it wasn't interpretivate enough. So I figured to change what I had which some would say a cover, and turned it into a true arrangement. I blended some of Enigma's Sadness at the beginning just to give it that dark feel. Came out good so I started to work around that. I used FL Studio 7 and I used alot of Synths in this remix to add to that feel. The inspiration behind this... Well to be honest, one time a remixer on here sent me a SoR Remix he did that wasn't on here. Some of you know him by the name of "Gecko Yamori." Anyways, It was a remix and then I wanted to try to be more like how he was. He basically influenced me in my music today which I why I remix Streets of Rage alot. My mixes usually don't make it out here and I just had to find out on my own what the site wants. So I started listening to other remixes on here, besides anything that is related to Streets of Rage. So then it hit me. So I worked on it for a little over a month some more and it just came down to this. Hoping that I can finally get one of my mixes on OverClocked. Now no matter what happens. I know I'm good with remixing and I'm very confident in myself. If it didn't make it, I was going to keep trying and trying until it did. No matter what happens. I'm always up for a challenge and this is has been my greatest challenge yet. Hope you enjoy this remix as much as I did making it! *BGC EDIT* Greg contacted me and asked me to reinsert a link to his track so people can hear it. It's the same as the original submission, except it's rendered at a higher bitrate, and at 48k instead of 44.1 here it is - http://www51.sitesled.com/soulofrage.mp3
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Original Decision: http://www.ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4706 1st RESUB Decision: http://www.ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?t=6818 Remixer Name: DJ SymBiotiX Real Name: Fernando Chorney E-mail: djsbx@hotmail.com Website: http://www.djsbx.com User ID: 15925 Game ReMixed: Beatmania IIDX 7th Style Song Remixed: Traces Info: Traces (made by Taku Sakakibara) is one of the songs solely created for the IIDX series. This game is for the PS2, as well as arcade. (Wasn’t sure which to place it on, so I just placed it on ps2, if I was wrong please correct it) Link to original song: (This is the short arcade/ps2 version, I couldn’t find the long version for some reason ) http://www.djsbx.com/othermusic/traces.mp3 Link to ReMix: http://www.djsbx.com/othermusic/TracesRemixFinal.mp3 (I would like to request that you keep both links available for people to see. thanks) Comments: Ok guys, this is my 2nd resub. Its been about a year since I’ve worked on this, but I think I’ve got it nailed down this time. I’ve learnt a whole bunch of new mastering techniques which is what I believe was bringing in the mix down last time. I’ve made sure all the volumes are good, and all that jazz. So again, I really hope you enjoy this mix . DJ SymBiotiX --------------------------------------------------------- TaQ released an extended live version of the track on his album bounce connected. beatmania IIDX 7th style Original Soundtrack - (129) "traces" bounce connected - (111) "Traces" Intro was pretty badass. Very tightly done fade-in of the piano. Source comes in at :49. Not liking the synth design at 1:20, and the percussion work at the foundation at 1:20 (not the additional stuff starting at 1:32) was pretty weak and underwhelming. Cool SFX from 2:07-2:10 whatever that was. Glad to hear the source return at 2:11 after the dabble in original material. It fits really seamlessly though; if I didn't know the source, I'd assume all of the arrangement writing was derived from it. 2:37's section was based off of the intro of the source for those of you scoring at home. Would have liked for the beatwork to have changed up at some point before the overall changeup at 3:03, as it wore out its welcome earlier. Don't let it get so repetitive; 2:11 & 2:37 were good opportunities to do something subtle but different with that core beatwork, like what you did at 3:35. Though the tempo acceleration was spot on, I wasn't quite feeling the transition into the different sounds at 4:33. Minor stuff. And now...to timestamp the arrangement. Fun. Now AFAIK, the short/PS2 version of "Traces" provided by Fernando has all the composition of the arcade version and isn't missing anything. I'll have to assume that, because the 8:14-long live extended version off TaQ's album, bounce connected, doesn't have any new compositional ideas not heard in the version Fernando gave us, and the original soundtrack verision is indeed 2:13-long. :49-1:20, 2:11-3:02, 4:59-5:36 are the only sections where I hear overt usage of "Traces," with the arrangement being 5:54-long. So 119 seconds of a 354 second arragement, i.e. 33.6% of the track. Anyone that wants to offer their own take on that, please feel free in case I'm missing anything, but I think that's pretty sound. Ah man, fuck. Sorry for no one, including me, never mentioning or even noticing this sooner, but while the original parts you're using sound seamlessly integrated with the source arrangement (and the reason I didn't pick up on this sooner), there's apparently not enough usage of the actual "Traces" source tune. At this point, it's seemingly mostly original composition and not arranged material. I'd be a lot more unsure, to the point where I wouldn't vote. But, as mentioned, the live edition of "Traces" from bounce connected has no new elements compared to the short version you attached. With that said, I strongly doubt there's anything I've missed. I'm very unhappy about having to turn this track away, because it sounds good. We didn't do due diligence on any of the previous submissions in terms of arrangement value, but I can't pass the track as is with such minimal usage of the actual source tune. If it's not more than 50% of the track, I feel you've strayed too far away from the the music you're primarily supposed to be tributing. On the plus side, I feel like you've come a good ways with this piece, which shows the potential to have something passed in the future. NO (resubmit)
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Re-mixer Info Re-mixer name: Wiesty Real Name: Dylan Wiest Email Address: dwiest@hotmail.com Website: - User ID: 11643 Remix Info Game Remixed: Radical Dreamers Song Remixed: The Frozen Flame Name of Remix: Cold as Hell Comments: I had originally had a basic Idea for the song, so basic in fact, that it was the opening piano riff accompanied by the cellos. Being the ballad writer that I am, that eventually evolved into a whole load of new ideas. I wanted to do something Jazzy for this piece, but at the same time keep it a little contemporary, which was where the cellos and piano solo came in. At first the song kind of bounced along on one mellow beat, but that later evolved into more of a bossa nova rhythm, which in the end turned out very nicely, because it contrasted the intro, which is more of a classic jazz feel. A lot of things have been changed from the original piece, including the time signature, style, layout, instruments, and just overall feel, so while it reflects that of the original, my own style and ideas have greatly arranged it. Overall this was a tremendously fun piece to work on, with saxaphone recordings provided by The Prophet of Mephisto. Enjoy! A note: This is a remix for the Radical Dreamers: Thieves of Fate project, and must be kept private until project is released. Thanks --------------------------------------------------------- http://snesmusic.org/v2/download.php?spcNow=rd - "Frozen Flame" (rd-10.spc) Hmm, the piano and string sequencing felt a little rigid to open things up; good overall, but just something felt a bit off with the overall texture. Maybe someone else can put their finger on it. Source finally got started at 1:06 after some...huh...Schala allusions by Brad. Dunno, but whatever. The guitar work felt really stiff as well. Just seems to me like a smoother approach would have worked better. On the plus side, the percussion was indeed very mellow and chill. The pattern felt a bit repetitive, but the brushes on the cymbals sounded especially nice I liked the interpretation on the chorus a lot from 2:05-2:36. Nice move into the gentler rendition of the theme on piano at 2:39, though again the sequencing and realism was lacking. Though there were some effects, it was rough hearing how exposed the sample was at times. The piano would have fit better if it had a similar room ambiance to the other sounds; the move back into the jazzier stuff at 3:46 felt like an awkward change as a result. The panning of the low bowed string brought back at 3:46 felt a little weird; didn't work as well as it did in the intro. In any case, this could be more polished on the smaller details, and I wouldn't mind tweaks in the interim, but overall I'm feeling it. The arrangement does a solid job, so I feel like it just squeaks by. Cool stuff, Dylan. It's a creative approach and definitely says something different with the theme. Good luck with the rest of the vote. YES (borderline) EDIT (11/5): After The Lady bought a better laptop with a better soundcard, I'm definitely hearing more of the issues zircon mentioned, those being the overall volume being too low (a shame, as it sounded better at a higher-than-normal computer volume to compensate) and distortion on stuff such as the louder sax notes and string stabs. Those issues need to be fixed before this could be considered passable. While I don't disagree with the production and performance criticisms zircon had (I certainly had my own on those levels), the arrangement was strong enough to weather those issues IMO, and I wasn't really feeling any major criticisms there. You now need to the get the post-production up to snuff. Do what you can, Dylan, to polish up the track. Bother whomever you need to get the answers you need. NO (refine/resubmit)
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I won't go into the logisitics of how the current one broke, but the BIOS isn't even recognizing the drive as being in place, and the actuator arm just clicks. I plan on recovering the data, but otherwise, R.I.P. I'm not looking for much in a computer. I just want lots of HD space, and a good soundcard in order to listen and evaluate music and get underway with a VG Frequency podcast. Built-in wireless capability and a DVD-RW seem pretty standard for today's models in the $1,000 range. I'd like to purchase something in that $1,000 range, but need some help comparing products. zirc recommended avadirect.com as a place to check out that had good prices and the ability to customize, or other verifications that this particular company offers, as well as other suggestions.
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OCR01609 - Tetris (GB) "Linear Groove"
Liontamer replied to djpretzel's topic in ReMix Reviews & Comments
But now you're going into the full-on "this is crappy" deal, which I definitely don't agree with. Solid arrangement, cool ideas. -
FEEDBACK NEEDED: Submission Standards Revision
Liontamer replied to djpretzel's topic in Site Issues & Feedback
No problem. In terms of "wide distribution," checking the chatter of the internet (Google search, Wikipedia, blogs, YouTube) is basically the best way of researching how well-known the game is. For the sound effects portion, perhaps "primarily consisting of." But the sentence as-is with the word consisting means "entirely made of" sound effects, not an arrangement supplemented by sound effects. But if it looks ambiguous, perhaps we can revise that with a word or two. For the recognizability portion, it's a little redudant, but is meant to further qualify the statements, especially in terms of going too liberal. djp can weigh in on it, as we had a third bullet as well that turned out to be redundant and decided to axe it. -
FEEDBACK NEEDED: Submission Standards Revision
Liontamer replied to djpretzel's topic in Site Issues & Feedback
Any non-commercial game needs to have a wide distribution and notariety before it can be accepted, a la Cave Story or Perfect Cherry Blossom. Otherwise, anyone could make a mini-game, give it to 5 people, then someone could arrange the soundtrack and it's allowable. As it's said, gauging these factors is at our discretion. It doesn't say those games are disallowed. The above wording is perfectly fine as is, as we've clearly accepted mixes from games that aren't traditional commercial releases. -
I don't think this forum is even designed for the casual forumgoers any moreso than the ReMixing forum is. Like that forum, this one is designed for a more specific purpose. After doing the move myself over the last few weeks and seeing the results, I don't think lack of visibility is the biggest negative, in that a lot more has to be done to make sure concepts thrive than just having it in the Community forum.
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After djp thought about it, he's moved the Competitions forum under Workspace where it's not merely a sublisting and should remain visible. The arrangement will be kept like this, but hopefully this solves some of the visibility problems caused when this was a subforum under Community.
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YOU CAN STOP BEING A DICKHEAD NOW!
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I would say once a week, but don't know how much time I'd have for that with my other responsibilities (job/judging). I definitely have a lot less time than I did in college, but I may work around this through shorter, but more frequent shows. For now, it's all a work in progress.
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Mazedude's music featured on Capoeira Nation!
Liontamer replied to Mazedude's topic in General Discussion
Congrats on this great opportunity, Chris! I blogged it up. Good luck to you and Capoeria Nation! -
sgx and zircon TRIPLE threat CD deal - $15 = 3 albums
Liontamer replied to zircon's topic in General Discussion
I bloggy about this deal of epic proportions! -
Oh, no worries. I've definitely got faith.
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With the FF7 project on the horizon, I aim to be there to cover things. Which means they're gonna be a podcast of some sort coming soon. With that said, the format of the podcast will be similar to the old radio show in that I want to spotlight all aspects and sites of the community, as well as original material. But the time will be nowhere near as long. The podcast will be about luring the chilluns into OC ReMix, but also touching upon everything else. How long would you be willing to listen to one podcast of the show? And perhaps more importantly, how long do you think a n00b would be willing to listen to a one podcast of the show? Any viable feedback is appreciated.
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Any new news on the Storm WIP, esteemed sir?
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Guy gets his muzak used at E3 and he carries himself like a pimp daddy. Welcome aboard. I'll hit you up regarding refinements to the arrangement, but yours is a very solid base so far, and of course really catchy. Great treatment of the Spider-Man theme. Thanks for joining up!
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This is dopez.
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Would You Like to Be in My Music Video?
Liontamer replied to Shael Riley's topic in General Discussion
I mentioned it on Hipster, please! but I'm extremely jealous of anyone and everyone that'll be at the video shooting. -
While it lasted though, we did appreciate everyone banding together for the lulz.
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--In the event this makes it onto OCR, please don't post it until the Radical Dreamers project is complete.-- Contact Info Your ReMixer name: Abadoss Your real name: Kenneth Edward Keyn Your email address: Abadoss@yahoo.com Your website: http://www.warnerpacific.edu/personal/kkeyn/ Your userid (number, not name) on our forums: 1901 ReMix Info Name of game(s) ReMixed: Radical Dreamers Name of individual song(s) ReMixed: Frozen Flame Link: Additional information: For me, "Frozen Flame" always seemed out of place in the Radical Dreamers soundtrack. It's not by much, but it seemed to be of a different stock than the other pieces. Perhaps it has something to do with the waltz feel or something else. I'm not entirely sure the reasons behind the difference are all musical. Anyway, I joined the Radical Dreamers project some time in February 2007. Seeing as how I was somewhat of a late-comer, I didn't have a whole lot to pick from, but, to my relief, Frozen Flame was among them. Thus my journey began. I set out to work transcribing the piece in its original form so I could study it and see what made it tick. I then tried various re-orchestrations to hear what certain parts would sound like on different instruments. I then played around with a few musical forms before settling on something a little latin jazzier. I build the arrangement, getting feedback from the other members of the project along the way. With the exception of the style and nuances, it's fairly straight forward. My personal favorite section is circa 1:42. Oh, and yes, I know about the flute's vibrato. Unfortunately, Garritan Personal Orchestra's flute has two settings: vibrato and no vibrato. Please know that I picked the better of the two. That said, I used Finale 2007, Garritan Personal Orchestra, Garritan Jazz and Big Band, and Audacity to create this piece. The name is rather unimaginative, as it's spanish for "Cold Fire". LT EDIT (10/13): For most of the piece, the melody is carried by the flute. However, it's been modified rhymically - i.e. augmentation and diminution. Hope that helps. I'm screwed. ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://snesmusic.org/v2/download.php?spcNow=rd - "Frozen Flame" (rd-10.spc) Good source selection. I was only particularly familiar with the very beginning of the theme myself. Hey, "Portal to Open Grounds" is pretty interesting too! But back on course... The overall feel is definitely a departure from the original. Not sure how it felt straightforward, but I only got the connection to the source once the arrangement reached 1:01, though from about :42 things sounded similar. I'll have to familiarize myself more with the source and get back to this one. EDIT (10/20): I'm finally clear that Ken used the entire verse (starting at :07) from the source before moving onto the chorus, funking around with the rhythms and progression of the verse moreso than the chorus. After counting the notes in each section of the verse (glad I'm very familiar with this theme) and following the melody here, I was able to more easily decipher the interpretation from :07-:27 covering :00-:14 of the source. There was a little more, but I'm good. :41-1:24 arranged the chorus very nicely before shifting to another iteration of the verse from 1:24-1:57, and back into the chorus at 1:58. Great changes at from 1:37-2:00 compared to the first go around. The second chorus felt too retread-ish and could have used some other ideas. The ending at 2:48 was too cheesy for my taste, and the last few seconds (2:44-2:49) felt like the samples were on the exposed side, which made that string run finish sound very weak; clearly not the intent. Overall though, I FINALLY got where the verses were coming from, and I can lay this one to rest. Though I wish the choruses had more pronounced variation from first to second, the differences in the verses were good. Can't help but feel that the arrangement was still underdeveloped on account of the second chorus, as there was a lot more potential to exploit for that section and with more material afterwards. So a little underwhelming on that level when I take a step back. Still, the the whole arrangement was pretty interpretive at its core. Definitely enough substance here from my vantage point to get the duke. YES