relyanCe Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 this is probably going to further delay Versus XIII. that makes me very very sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekofrog Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Square needs this. For far too long they've been operating under the mindset of "We're Square, we make Final Fantasy. Everyone loves us and we can do no wrong and people will buy whatever we put out. We could release a bag of dogshit with the words "Final Fantasy" scribbled on it with sharpie and it will be adored by our fans. We don't need outside input from anyone, not even those who actually do care about our games. Fuck them. Fuck everyone who isn't us. WE ARE THE BEST. HOORAY SQUARE!" Fuck Square. Fuck Wada. Fuck Nomura. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote-Trickster Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 (edited) so if it won't be "fixed" by the scrapped march 2011 ps3 release how long do they think people will wait for the "improved" game? 2012? ...2013? I agree with Nekofrog SE just disregarded the players and did their own thing now they are trying to save a sinking ship. Sinking so badly that the CEO had to openly apologize to shareholders. Him basically saying "Yeah it's shit but we are trying to fix it" doesn't boost confidence much. Edited December 10, 2010 by Coyote-Trickster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thin Crust Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Fuck Nomura.Hey, nomura doesn't have anything to do with the quality of ff14.Anyway, how long did it take them to make ff11 enjoyable by their fanbase? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Legendary Zoltan Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 http://www.rpgamer.com/news/Q4-2010/121010a.html I don't know. What do you guys think? I've still never played an MMO but according to all the reviews of the PC version, FF14 is the worst MMO ever. Is it really ALL Hiromichi Tanaka's fault? They said that he "fell on his sword" and took full responsibility but isn't it really that Square didn't give him enough time to make it good in the first place? It's just hard to believe that the reason is that Tanaka didn't have the right ideas or didn't know what he was doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZealPath Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 (edited) FFXI was fine since MMOs were still fairly new, simple as it may sound, WoW wasn't out yet so that comparison couldn't be made and people who did play MMOs were generally happy with whatever they could get. FFXI was a good MMO for FF fans, to oversimplify, it was like a Final Fantasy EverQuest, and back then, that was good enough. Years later, in a world of countless MMOs of varying degrees of success, FFXIV was launched way too early, and SE is paying for it. I still have every intention of going back eventually, but I removed my payment options for now, which ironically, has not mattered so far since the free trial has been extended 3 times, and now permanently extended until they "get the game into a state they are satisfied with." I completely agree with the idea that SE thought the Final Fantasy name was invincible and has now had it proven in no uncertain terms that that is not the case, they can't just shit on a game and except it to do well, and now they have finally learned this. I think it's a good move on their part to not charge monthly fees yet, and it does give me a little more faith that they are taking the relative failure of the game so far seriously, as someone who would like to return and enjoy themselves in FFXIV at some point. I still see a lot of things in it that I liked, to the point where I almost want to log in right now, and I imagine I will only want to return more as more updates roll in. Edited December 11, 2010 by ZealPath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleck Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Fuck Square. Fuck Wada. Fuck Nomura. agreeing with this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souliarc Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Good to hear. It takes a lot of recognized humility and quite a big hit to your pride to admit you did something wrong (in this case, shafting your fan base), especially considering the size of their franchise. Bravo for taking the high road, Square, and not hiding behind your mistakes. I can only hope they become better for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dissidia Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 To me it seems like they are clueless. That's the feeling I got when I played the beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensei Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Square hasn't made a good game in years, so yeah, it probably will suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkwing Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Ragnarok Online FTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensei Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Square needs this. For far too long they've been operating under the mindset of "We're Square, we make Final Fantasy. Everyone loves us and we can do no wrong and people will buy whatever we put out. We could release a bag of dogshit with the words "Final Fantasy" scribbled on it with sharpie and it will be adored by our fans. We don't need outside input from anyone, not even those who actually do care about our games. Fuck them. Fuck everyone who isn't us. WE ARE THE BEST. HOORAY SQUARE!"Fuck Square. Fuck Wada. Fuck Nomura. This really describes the whole Japanese games industry, and the JRPG genre in particular, quite well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zircon Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 I think the issue is they didn't take enough risks with FF14, based on what I've read. FF13 took a lot of risks, on the other hand, and was fairly well-received for it (83/100 on Metacritic, strong sales.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malaki-LEGEND.sys Posted December 11, 2010 Author Share Posted December 11, 2010 This really describes the whole Japanese games industry, and the JRPG genre in particular, quite well. Regarding this statement, I can't help but think that it's because the JRPG genre has been seeping into the otaku culture for a long while now, and we all know how that goes. Back on the subject of FFXIV, well goddamnit. It's pretty much impossible for me to give SE the benefit of the doubt anymore. As much as I enjoy the core ideas of what's there, they botched it. I'm still playing on and off, which I probably wouldn't were it not for the "indefinite" free trail extension. The series has thrived off introducing new blood in the past with stuff like FFVI and FFVII, so maybe it's just time for Tanaka to go the way of Sakaguchi and leave things be. Hopefully things will pick up. While I'm not sure I'm totally cool with the transparency of their business practices, it seems like SE is definitely trying to salvage it. Now someone fire Wada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phalanx Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 It's a combination of modern-day Square and an MMO. Both of which are terrible things. The problem is SE in general. To quote Lordkat: "They've become too Japanese for the Japanese market." They're hopelessly out of touch with the current gaming market and are horribly inefficient when it comes to designing games; building an engine solely for one game is both expensive and time-consuming, and could stand to use pre-established engines to work off of. It would cut down on development time by a great deal, no longer needing the 3-5 years to develop ONE game that ends up being fairly lackluster and underwhelming (see FF13). FF 14 was a train wreck before it got started, and I don't foresee it staying around for more than a year, two at most. It will be unsurprising if it goes the way of Age of Conan. But hey, maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part. I kind of WANT to see SE do badly and do a total restructuring, getting new blood in there and trying different styles and tactics like they did in the PSX era. Bringing back that grand, sweeping style of excellent fantasy games, instead of The Breakfast Club: Now With Swords. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocre Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 (edited) Square hasn't made a good game in years, so yeah, it probably will suck. I feel the same way. Edited December 11, 2010 by ocre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC2151 Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 (edited) This makes me laugh because the throwaway throwback they made for the DS, The Four Heroes of Light, has ended being probably their best Final Fantasy title made since X (play it darn it). Edited December 11, 2010 by EC2151 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Smitchens Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 I think the last MMO I played was Diablo 2 way back in high school. I dunno. I did enjoy a lot of aspects about FFXIII, but I thought it was an obvious surpassing of graphics in lieu of game play. I really liked how in the more open areas they gave it a grand feeling of nature with animals running around and what have you, but the almost total absence of civilization? That really killed a lot of it for me. Regretfully I don't see that changing any time soon. I find they spend too much time trying to make it look prettier than other games. What I think they ought do is look at the more monumental games in the franchise and consider what they'd done right with them. I mean. Christ. The demand to remake FFVII alone should be a clue enough on where to look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Briggs Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 It's a combination of modern-day Square and an MMO. Both of which are terrible things. I lol'd heartily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thin Crust Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Is the game patched up enough yet? Or has everyone given up on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZealPath Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 I don't know a single person who still plays, though, for the record, there have been a lot of supposedly good updates. In fact, when I briefly glanced at the most recent update notes they were so long that I couldn't be bothered to read them since I'm not playing and am not sure when I will again. You still don't have to pay a monthly fee, so there is that. I'm going to be starting Rift next week otherwise I would probably take another look at FFXIV soon. From what I understand a great deal of the changes are still on the way, and what you have now is sort of a transitional phase between canning some of the more annoying, unwelcomed features, and phasing in the some completely new systems, with more drastic changes to come.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malaki-LEGEND.sys Posted February 21, 2011 Author Share Posted February 21, 2011 I'm still playing on and off, although for the most part I'm busy playing other things(like MvC3) while waiting for the game to be up to speed. If you want to see my thoughts on the game as is right now, just hit eorzeapedia.com and check out the gendisc forums there. I'm usually in active discussions all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kupernikus Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 I'm still playing on and off, although for the most part I'm busy playing other things(like MvC3) while waiting for the game to be up to speed. If you want to see my thoughts on the game as is right now, just hit eorzeapedia.com and check out the gendisc forums there. I'm usually in active discussions all the time. haha, I post there, mainly to argue with the die hard fanboys though..... I still play on Selbina, low level still as I am on weekends at most for short periods of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luhny Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 After watching a bit of FF14 at a friend's house (= 1 or 2 days per week for the last 3 months) I get the feeling that it has not even remotely anything to do with Final Fantasy. The way I see it, you could put "Random MMO Game Title" in there as well, as I for myself see nothing special or really worthwhile about it. FFXI at least had a charme, at least for me, by adapting archetype MMO classes into classic FF jobs. I think they did a good job providing a Final Fantasy setting in FFXI. Whilst FF14 - as i said - just seems like any random MMO to me. Dunno, that's how I see things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekofrog Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 what the fuck is charme, some kind of toilet paper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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