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It's still discrimination and abuse of a group of individuals simply on the basis that they're different in some way. It's not any different from any other kind of bigotry.

There shouldn't be room to use abusive or derogatory language towards anyone on the basis of race, gender, sexuality, or religious differences, on OCR or elsewhere.

Well, I can tell you that plenty of abusive/derogatory language is used in the Marine Corps, but the attitude there is that if you can't handle it, you can't handle high stress combat situations - I digress though.

Regardless of how an admin might feel, we should be professional about this. No admin should be admining drastically different from another one.

That said, on the OCR TF2 server, we shouldn't be fostering such an environment. We are an inclusive community when it comes to different characteristics like this as we have LGBT in the broader OCR community since we are about the appreciation of video game music and rearrangements of it. Any adoption of policy contrary to this reflects bad on the site and its community, which is not the message we want to send.

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The rule against excessive swearing and hate speech has *never* changed. Condoning it is not a server policy and never was, so you can't really claim the server supports hate speech.

What this *actually* is, is just one person's opinion on how the rule should be enforced but it does stand to remind that we could always be enforcing the rule better. Procedure is to warn and ask to stop and if they refuse ban them, if you have any issue whatsoever with hate speech on the server speak the hell up *while it's still happening* and if an admin isn't on it's not like most of you aren't steam friends with at least one of us, so send a message.

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It's still discrimination and abuse of a group of individuals simply on the basis that they're different in some way. It's not any different from any other kind of bigotry.

There shouldn't be room to use abusive or derogatory language towards anyone on the basis of race, gender, sexuality, or religious differences, on OCR or elsewhere.

If you make a big issue out of it, it will always remain a big issue. Political correctness is self-defeating. The more derogatory slurs get thrown around, the more meaningless they become, which is GOOD. Do your part, call someone a faggot every day.

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If you make a big issue out of it, it will always remain a big issue. Political correctness is self-defeating. The more derogatory slurs get thrown around, the more meaningless they become, which is GOOD. Do your part, call someone a faggot every day.

I sense that in this instance YOU're doing the throwing. You're not having them thrown at you. Try it sometime - even just a couple weeks, day in day out, at least once. It sucks.

When someone's told you that words hurt them, don't fucking turn around and say "But words can't hurt you". If I hit you upside the head with a brick, and you say "It hurts, don't do that", should my response be to tell you to get over it, and hit you again? Maybe you'll eventually get used to it, but I'm willing to bet I'll crack your skull open first.

Children - literally CHILDREN - are killing themselves because their peers harass and abuse them for being gay. In some cases, they're not even - they're just children whose peers have decided they're different or don't fit in in some way, and they're using gay as a catch-all slur.

And I seriously hope you thought you were trolling.

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I sense that in this instance YOU're doing the throwing. You're not having them thrown at you. Try it sometime - even just a couple weeks, day in day out, at least once. It sucks.

When someone's told you that words hurt them, don't fucking turn around and say "But words can't hurt you". If I hit you upside the head with a brick, and you say "It hurts, don't do that", should my response be to tell you to get over it, and hit you again? Maybe you'll eventually get used to it, but I'm willing to bet I'll crack your skull open first.

Children - literally CHILDREN - are killing themselves because their peers harass and abuse them for being gay. In some cases, they're not even - they're just children whose peers have decided they're different or don't fit in in some way, and they're using gay as a catch-all slur.

And I seriously hope you thought you were trolling.

You *sense* something? You mean you make a whole range of assumptions about me based on a single forum post?

I'm not trolling, what I wrote is how I genuinely feel about derogatory slurs. The fact that we're even here discussing this gives the subject, in my opinion, too much weight and justification, when we could just move on with our lives, grow thicker skin, and continue to play the game without unnecessary drama.

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The rule against excessive swearing and hate speech has *never* changed. Condoning it is not a server policy and never was, so you can't really claim the server supports hate speech.

Technically, they have. However, only to clarify it.

Up until yesterday, it just said "No hate speech" which I expanded to "No hate speech, including excessive swearing and insults." at the same time I removed Rambo from the admin list.

TECHNICALLY, I overstepped my bounds there by making said change without consulting the remaining admins, but based it on the opinions expressed on the admin board about this subject.

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Technically, they have. However, only to clarify it.

Up until yesterday, it just said "No hate speech" which I expanded to "No hate speech, including excessive swearing and insults." at the same time I removed Rambo from the admin list.

TECHNICALLY, I overstepped my bounds there by making said change without consulting the remaining admins, but based it on the opinions expressed on the admin board about this subject.

I think you're within reasonable limits :P

I've been told I came off in a way I didn't intend, I just want to remind that we were never supposed to allow discrimination in the first place and that if we can just get a consistent procedure for it we won't have quite as much drama.

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So I just came off of deviantART, where they changed the website to wear purple in remembrance of teens who have lost their lives to anti-LGBT bullying.

And in contrast, it's pretty sad to see the state of affairs here.

When it all comes down to it, it would be nice if, you could just ask, "Hey mister, could you please stop calling me a fag? " and the person would be "Oh okay, you were acting dumb and it made me mad, but since you asked, I will stop. I'm sorry" and the other guy would reply, "That's okay. I'm sorry if I"m not doing so well, could you tell me what I was doing wrong?" ect. Yeah, that's the cotton candy doesn't-exist world, but still.

I don't want people banned for cursing, I just want them to stop when I vocalize my annoyance on the matter.

In the end, it's all about just having respect for your fellow man. I'd go on to say I don't want anyone to be censored, but then I'd be a hypocrite for not wanting people to yell and curse at me. Maybe I need a thicker skin.

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When it all comes down to it, it would be nice if, you could just ask, "Hey mister, could you please stop calling me a fag? " and the person would be "Oh okay, you were acting dumb and it made me mad, but since you asked, I will stop. I'm sorry" and the other guy would reply, "That's okay. I'm sorry if I"m not doing so well, could you tell me what I was doing wrong?" ect. Yeah, that's Canada.

Fixed. :3

Thank you for amending the MOTD Powerlord.

I also liked the sneaky change to idling.

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We are getting pretty crazy with the rules.

Just putting that out there.

Remember when we were supposed to be a not srs bsnss server.

No I guess not.

I just want to see the "No Hate Speech" rule applied evenly. Either all slurs - whether it's about someone's race, their colour, their religion, their sexuality - are hate speech, or none of them are. It makes no sense to me to totally ban some things, and be tolerant or lenient towards others.

I'm all for 'Not Srs Business'. I'm not interested in playing in an environment where it's ok to be abusive towards or make jokes of others at their expense.

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I just want to see the "No Hate Speech" rule applied evenly. Either all slurs - whether it's about someone's race, their colour, their religion, their sexuality - are hate speech, or none of them are. It makes no sense to me to totally ban some things, and be tolerant or lenient towards others.

I'm all for 'Not Srs Business'. I'm not interested in playing in an environment where it's ok to be abusive towards or make jokes of others at their expense.

This.

Nobody should be forced to put up with the n-word on a daily basis while playing a bloody video game (and on this server, they aren't thankfully), and logically, nobody should be forced to put up with gay/fag/homo etc either. "Grow a thicker skin" is just a lazy condoning of the problem for the sake of social smoothness. A line has to be drawn somewhere.

To me, 'Not Srs Bizness' equates to friendly games of TF2. It does not equate to allowing someone to insult my sexuality, whatever it may be, just because I am horribly bad at the game, and then justifying it by way of "lol everyone does it lighten up lol"

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I was more towards the trade rule. To be honest that is the stupidest shit I have ever heard. Since we are not a competitive server, we shouldn't have an anti-trade rule in effect. If that is the case then just outlaw trading and make the server even more stupid than has been in the past few months.

FURTHER MORE: This is something that Powerlord just pulled outta his ass, without asking any other admin in the admin thread.

So no. This is stupid.

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Hey you know what? How about this?

Grow up, stop calling people "faggots" and just play the game. Just don't use the fucking word. It's not going to kill you to hold your tongue.

It's an offensive term, and if you use it, you'll be warned about it. If you continue to use it, you'll get kicked and or banned. Alright?

Now can we please talk about something actually important? Like the fact that people are making 40,000 in TWO WEEKS from royalties for Polycount Items?

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Hey you know what? How about this?

Grow up, stop calling people "faggots" and just play the game. Just don't use the fucking word. It's not going to kill you to hold your tongue.

It's an offensive term, and if you use it, you'll be warned about it. If you continue to use it, you'll get kicked and or banned. Alright?

It doesn't matter at this point Darkesword. As the only admins that matter are Powerlord and Fireslash.

Again, I'd like to pioint out that I only have a problem with the dumb as all get out trade rule that wasn't discussed and is just Powerlord raging.

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It doesn't matter at this point Darkesword. As the only admins that matter are Powerlord and Fireslash.

Again, I'd like to pioint out that I only have a problem with the dumb as all get out trade rule that wasn't discussed and is just Powerlord raging.

I've heard quite a few complaints about trading killing people playing the game due to team imbalances from others idling to trade - I'll admit to being part of the problem during a few of those complaints.

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I've heard quite a few complaints about trading killing people playing the game due to team imbalances from others idling to trade - I'll admit to being part of the problem during a few of those complaints.

But to start banning people for it puts the message that we are a srs bsnss server when we most certainly are not.

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Hey you know what? How about this?

Now can we please talk about something actually important? Like the fact that people are making 40,000 in TWO WEEKS from royalties for Polycount Items?

And that's what started wtih shareware, now facilitated with intra party transfers able to handle small amounts of currency (paypal, steamwallet) can do.

If that's how much Valve paid to those guys, how much has valve actually made on these small transactions? Have they proven that this is a viable release mechanism that can now bypass stores and help provide a long tail of support and interest that doesn't involve brick and mortar stores holding inventory?

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And that's what started wtih shareware, now facilitated with intra party transfers able to handle small amounts of currency (paypal, steamwallet) can do.

If that's how much Valve paid to those guys, how much has valve actually made on these small transactions? Have they proven that this is a viable release mechanism that can now bypass stores and help provide a long tail of support and interest that doesn't involve brick and mortar stores holding inventory?

I heard that the contributors got a 25% cut, so that means Valve made (40k * 4) * (3/4) = (40k * 3) = 120k per contributor, minimum. Just on the Polycount items alone, they've made at least 600k. More if you take into account that the highest paid contributor got 47k. (The lowest was 39k, which I rounded up for easier math in the above calculations.)

So yeah, Valve is officially rolling in money.

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It doesn't matter at this point Darkesword. As the only admins that matter are Powerlord and Fireslash.

Again, I'd like to pioint out that I only have a problem with the dumb as all get out trade rule that wasn't discussed and is just Powerlord raging.

I have no problem with people trading. I have a problem with people sitting there for 4-5 minutes straight doing it.

I treat them just like any other AFKer and kick them, but will escalate it if they reconnect and start doing it again.

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I have no problem with people trading. I have a problem with people sitting there for 4-5 minutes straight doing it.

I treat them just like any other AFKer and kick them.

That is still dumb by the way, and doesn't make it anymore right. I bet if you were the one trading for more than a few minutes, you would have a problem getting kicked, OH WAIT YOU CANT GET KICKED DUE TO IMMUNITY.

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That is still dumb by the way, and doesn't make it anymore right. I bet if you were the one trading for more than a few minutes, you would have a problem getting kicked, OH WAIT YOU CANT GET KICKED DUE TO IMMUNITY.

I normally don't trade while playing. The few times I have, it's been done in less than 30 seconds.

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