PriZm Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Well, yes, yes they did! They didn't have good security. Customers are trusting them with their data, and they aren't protecting it. That is wrong. How could having low/bad/no security, and/or not protecting the data past that security be "right" and/or "not doing anything wrong"? LulzSec has broken into ONE site with SQL injection (or so they claim anyways) and as far as I know, only the PSN had passwords in plain text. Where do you draw the line exactly regarding what is sufficient and insufficient security ? How can you be sure that Nintendo, Epic, Bethesda and Codemasters had insufficient security ? You are claiming that only because LulzSec has broken into their sites, that their security is horrible but how do you know ? And how do you know LulzSec are not extremely good or determined at hacking stuff ? My main point here is this: who are you, Crowbar Man, to judge what security is good and what is not ? See the difference here is that you are making a lot of assumptions and we are not. What we DO know however is that entering these sites and compromising the information they contain is criminal and wrong. Also, excellent security comes at the price of convenience and cost. Sure, we could all have personal VPN-like tokens like they use in private networks, but it would be more costly and, quite frankly, a hassle. If these game servers had to have as much security as the Pentagon (which was hacked several times), who knows how costly they would get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowbar Man Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 See the difference here is that you are making a lot of assumptions and we are not Actually, you are assuming that they have good security and doing everything they can when theres evidence they don't / aren't. Im just being far more realistic than just assuming everybody did their job perfectly and the world is great. Where do you draw the line exactly regarding what is sufficient and insufficient security? Pretty much at if Lulz can get in. There's also a standard of security practice, known bad security habits, etc. And how do you know LulzSec are not extremely good or determined at hacking stuff ? This is a serious question? Their name says it all. Their moto is they do it for Lulz. They've used relatively simple methods so far. Why do you assume they are master hackers with unbelievable skills? How can you be sure that Nintendo, Epic, Bethesda and Codemasters had insufficient security Level of breach, and responce. Nintendo actually has had no consumer data stolen, and the 2nd attack was a phishing scam and not anything to do with their website, but they fixed it anyways. Codemasters found that they had a breach, immediately shut down the site, but unfortunately customer data was stolen before they could react to it. Epic same as Codemasters wasn't able to respond in time to the attack, but letting everybody know they use encrypted passwords and a forced password reset are good responses. None of the important stuff like CC data was leaked. Bethesda has had people browsing their data for over a month apparently. Still are according to Lulz If these game servers We are not talking about game servers. We are talking about servers with customer data. What we DO know however is that entering these sites and compromising the information they contain is criminal and wrong. Never argued against that. Basically, both of us are assuming things. Unless you work for a game company that got hacked, or a part of Lulz, neither one of us know 100% for fact. I think my views are slightly more realistic though, considering the evidence. But that is my opinion of my opinion, which might be biased who are you, Crowbar Man? Just your friendly neighborhood Crowbar Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brushfire Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 LulzSec is an evil enchantress Who does evil dances And if you look deep in their eyes They'll put you in trances Then what will they do? They'll mix up an evil brew And they'll gobble you up In a big tasty stew So... WATCH OUT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malaki-LEGEND.sys Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Pinky Pie is the fucking Kramer of MLP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Strader Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 This cannot be tolerated. Shoot to kill. ...i love besthesda.... they are innocent in all this.. i still blame sony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocre Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 i still blame sony So we'll hate them. Because they can take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phalanx Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 So we'll hate them. Because they can take it. They are the company Gotham deserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phalanx Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 They've also apparently hacked EVE online servers and the Senate. http://mashable.com/2011/06/14/lulzsec-us-senate-attack/ http://defaultprime.com/2011/06/14/lulzsec-strikes-again-eve-online-hit/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Strader Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 and the Senate.http://mashable.com/2011/06/14/lulzsec-us-senate-attack/ They hacked the Sheriff but they did not hack the deputy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowbar Man Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Well they didn't actually hack the secure part of the senates website according to the senate, just the public access side. Of course leaving that tidbit out makes it sound more impressive. Either way uh they may want to watch messing with ye ole gov. Seems rather dangerous considering the resources the us gov might have to counter attack. Oh no they've hacked minecraft! Now im convinced they are super hackers because I know notch is THE best coder!1!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgeCrusher Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Welcome to the internet, where anyone can be white knighted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackKieser Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 I'm just going to leave this here... Dear Internets,This is Lulz Security, better known as those evil bastards from twitter. We just hit 1000 tweets, and as such we thought it best to have a little chit-chat with our friends (and foes). For the past month and a bit, we've been causing mayhem and chaos throughout the Internet, attacking several targets including PBS, Sony, Fox, porn websites, FBI, CIA, the U.S. government, Sony some more, online gaming servers (by request of callers, not by our own choice), Sony again, and of course our good friend Sony. While we've gained many, many supporters, we do have a mass of enemies, albeit mainly gamers. The main anti-LulzSec argument suggests that we're going to bring down more Internet laws by continuing our public shenanigans, and that our actions are causing clowns with pens to write new rules for you. But what if we just hadn't released anything? What if we were silent? That would mean we would be secretly inside FBI affiliates right now, inside PBS, inside Sony... watching... abusing... Do you think every hacker announces everything they've hacked? We certainly haven't, and we're damn sure others are playing the silent game. Do you feel safe with your Facebook accounts, your Google Mail accounts, your Skype accounts? What makes you think a hacker isn't silently sitting inside all of these right now, sniping out individual people, or perhaps selling them off? You are a peon to these people. A toy. A string of characters with a value. This is what you should be fearful of, not us releasing things publicly, but the fact that someone hasn't released something publicly. We're sitting on 200,000 Brink users right now that we never gave out. It might make you feel safe knowing we told you, so that Brink users may change their passwords. What if we hadn't told you? No one would be aware of this theft, and we'd have a fresh 200,000 peons to abuse, completely unaware of a breach. Yes, yes, there's always the argument that releasing everything in full is just as evil, what with accounts being stolen and abused, but welcome to 2011. This is the lulz lizard era, where we do things just because we find it entertaining. Watching someone's Facebook picture turn into a penis and seeing their sister's shocked response is priceless. Receiving angry emails from the man you just sent 10 dildos to because he can't secure his Amazon password is priceless. You find it funny to watch havoc unfold, and we find it funny to cause it. We release personal data so that equally evil people can entertain us with what they do with it. Most of you reading this love the idea of wrecking someone else's online experience anonymously. It's appealing and unique, there are no two account hijackings that are the same, no two suddenly enraged girlfriends with the same expression when you admit to killing prostitutes from her boyfriend's recently stolen MSN account, and there's certainly no limit to the lulz lizardry that we all partake in on some level. And that's all there is to it, that's what appeals to our Internet generation. We're attracted to fast-changing scenarios, we can't stand repetitiveness, and we want our shot of entertainment or we just go and browse something else, like an unimpressed zombie. Nyan-nyan-nyan-nyan-nyan-nyan-nyan-nyan, anyway... Nobody is truly causing the Internet to slip one way or the other, it's an inevitable outcome for us humans. We find, we nom nom nom, we move onto something else that's yummier. We've been entertaining you 1000 times with 140 characters or less, and we'll continue creating things that are exciting and new until we're brought to justice, which we might well be. But you know, we just don't give a living fuck at this point - you'll forget about us in 3 months' time when there's a new scandal to gawk at, or a new shiny thing to click on via your 2D light-filled rectangle. People who can make things work better within this rectangle have power over others; the whitehats who charge $10,000 for something we could teach you how to do over the course of a weekend, providing you aren't mentally disabled. This is the Internet, where we screw each other over for a jolt of satisfaction. There are peons and lulz lizards; trolls and victims. There's losers that post shit they think matters, and other losers telling them their shit does not matter. In this situation, we are both of these parties, because we're fully aware that every single person that reached this final sentence just wasted a few moments of their time. Thank you, bitches. Lulz Security Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Damned Posted June 17, 2011 Author Share Posted June 17, 2011 Damn it, Jack! By posting that, you're validating some kind of position on something! You're only helping and/or hurting whatever cause it is that we're discussing right now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velocifero Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Fuckin script kiddies. They can "Eat shit and die." all I care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC2151 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 I love how our generation thinks it's being deep and meaningful, wasting time to write all the hogwash you posted, when in fact it's just poorly-reasoned, philosophically-shitty pseudo-skepticism garbage. The "lulz lizard" era indeed. The guys are so fucking bloated with their own self-importance because they fucking know SQL scripting! The self-righteous tone they take to justify their idiocy is a riot, as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malaki-LEGEND.sys Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 So basically we have a bunch of guys who read The Catcher in The Rye and called it a day, and in their deluded minds think that they're doing everyone else a "service" by breaking into networks and futzing around with people's private info for shits and giggles because fuck the rest of the world. Wonderful. I hope it brings them as much enjoyment as this letter says it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Damned Posted June 17, 2011 Author Share Posted June 17, 2011 Guys, they might be reading this right now, and all of our accounts on everything could already be compromised! Any second now, they will start hacking our megahertz and wifi-ing our emails servers! They... Wait. What's that sound? Why is my DS Lite on? OH GOD, THEY GOT MY POKEMANZ! MY DS IS BEING HACKED RIGHT NOW! OH GOD NO! NOT MY CHARMANDER! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie's Angel Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 I love how our generation thinks it's being deep and meaningful, wasting time to write all the hogwash you posted, when in fact it's just poorly-reasoned, philosophically-shitty pseudo-skepticism garbage.The "lulz lizard" era indeed. The guys are so fucking bloated with their own self-importance because they fucking know SQL scripting! The self-righteous tone they take to justify their idiocy is a riot, as well. That's their point I reckon. It doesn't mean anything, It's all for the lulz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Strader Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 LulSec needs to be made fun of for three reasons: (a) they suck ( their name reminds me of luiz guzman (even though he's awesome) © their name reminds me of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PriZm Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 That's their point I reckon. It doesn't mean anything' date=' It's all for the lulz.[/quote']But how is this funny at all ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Strader Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 But how is this funny at all ? lulz lizard Sounds like something you pick up at a truckstop parking lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Damned Posted June 17, 2011 Author Share Posted June 17, 2011 I keep thinking it's supposed to be lounge lizard. Then I get a funny picture in my mind about a guy in a two-piece tuxedo on a piano singing really cheesy music. Then he starts trolling the audience and the trollface meme appears on his face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie's Angel Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 But how is this funny at all ? When you're socio/psychopathic and you have the power to cripple thousands, all kinds of unreasonable things might be funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Strader Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 I keep thinking it's supposed to be lounge lizard. Then I get a funny picture in my mind about a guy in a two-piece tuxedo on a piano singing really cheesy music. Then he starts trolling the audience and the trollface meme appears on his face. You mean like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monobrow Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 The thing is, these guys probably still have to get up and go to work every day and hate their life, so they take it out on the internet. I can really only imagine that kind of pseudo-intellectual angst coming from someone like that. Honestly, not being able to use PSN isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things, and I think they will eventually be caught, they've made themselves such a target. We though, we move on with our lives, I feel I didn't waste my time reading that letter, I just got disappointed with how someone can be that stupid and wasteful of their time writing it. It's a half-assed attempt to justify their worldview... And when that doesn't work, they're trying to hide behind a wall of cool to the people that see how illogical they are being. OMG time to fall back on chaos and random to justify my behavior because I don't care anyway. lol yikes. Anyway, their rules only apply to a very small percentage of what goes on in the world, a fraction of the internet, and how important they are doesn't matter, if they are the flavor of the month or the year... Because it's for something incredibly stupid. If they hacked something of mine today, I'd deal with it and get over it. Honestly, Anonymous has more power over people because when they get rowdy, they prank call their houses and light a burning bag of doo on your porch, now those guys can ruin lives... But again, they only can ruin your life as much as you really let them. The reaction is what a troll wants, in whatever shape/form they come in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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