Nase Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 that was close to around the time I was borndo you feel old yet i still can't fully accept that people born in '96 are now technically grownups then again, '86 here, and i don't exactly feel like one :3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonicThHedgog Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 I guess when I compose I go to places like cafes full of good vibes to make music on my laptop then finish it at home. For mixing I guess that I now picture my self in a 3D room. : / burp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garpocalypse Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 i still can't fully accept that people born in '96 are now technically grownupsthen again, '86 here, and i don't exactly feel like one :3 You have no idea how much I agree with you on this. No wait, you probably do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnappleMan Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I still can't get used to thinking of people born in '86 as grownups! But I was born just a few years before that in '81 so whatev. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ectogemia Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) Figuring out a production workflow really helped my speed and direction when writing, and I accomplished that by watching and reading tons of tutorials on production, talking to producers who are more skilled than I am, and analyzing .flp files included with FL Studio. You can't really have a good production workflow unless you have a good background in production theory, or so I think, at least. Composition is rarely a hang-up for me during the writing process anymore, even though I have a ton of improvements I can make in that realm. It's sort of a "good enough" thing at this point. Until pretty recently, my biggest obstacle was usually a disconnect between the soundscape and sound quality of what I was hearing on playback vs. what I had originally planned in my head that slowed me down and had me overthinking things. Getting over that hurdle and being able to make quick, workable production decisions has drastically improved my case of Dicks Around With Knobs Syndrome, or DAWKS, which accounted for like 90% of my writing time. The better you know what your knobs are doing, the easier it will be for you to find the combination of sweet spots that get you the sound you want. Also keyboard shortcuts and all of that. Templates are nice, too, especially ones which load an EQ into every mixer track and have pre-built drum buses, parallel compression, reverb and delay sends, etc. just in case you need them. Presets are good, too, especially for EQs that don't start with a high-pass as the lowest band or a high-shelf as the highest. And check out Neblix's Kontakt routing template thread if you use Kontakt. Because fuck routing Kontakt every time I start a project. I was born in 1989, I'm going to be a doctor in hardly over a year, and even I think that's fucked up and not ok. Edited February 4, 2014 by ectogemia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnWake Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I'm not sure my process has evolved much haha. What I usually do is sit on my keyboard and mess with the sources I want to remix for a while, until I get a decent idea. Then I go to the DAW and start messing with sounds and stuff until I establish how the mix is going to work... Then I just write, usually recording everything through MIDI. I normally mix after writing. I got that habit on my old computer that could barely handle the VSTi without crashing, so I was forced to do that. I should experiment with mixing while I write though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timaeus222 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) Figuring out a production workflow really helped my speed and direction when writing, and I accomplished that by watching and reading tons of tutorials on production, talking to producers who are more skilled than I am, and analyzing .flp files included with FL Studio. You can't really have a good production workflow unless you have a good background in production theory, or so I think, at least. Personally I feel like if you can find the part of the production process that you are slowest at, and work at it until you can do it as if it were second nature, that'll be a huge hurdle you just eliminated and your workflow speed will increase most because of that improvement. It was EQ in general for me in the past. Now the only thing holding me back with EQ is the extreme low bass and extreme high treble, and I'm already working towards improving that. Edited February 4, 2014 by timaeus222 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ectogemia Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Personally I feel like if you can find the part of the production process that you are slowest at, and work at it until you can do it as if it were second nature, that'll be a huge hurdle you just eliminated and your workflow speed will increase most because of that improvement. It was EQ in general for me in the past. Now the only thing holding me back with EQ is the extreme low bass and extreme high treble, and I'm already working towards improving that. Yep, critical thinking is the most powerful tool for self-improvement. The more surgically you can identify your shortcomings, the more focus you can apply in addressing them. Personally, I find those two parts of a mix to be the most difficult as well, and I've been loading in reference tracks in a similar genre (hard for me to do since I write weird shit, but something similar enough) and A/Bing mine with effects vs. the reference without effects and EQing til I'm close to the reference track. It's really helped my baseline sense of what good highs and lows sound like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteo Xavier Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I haven't even been able to create a process yet, much less evolve it. Mine is in a constant flux of evolution and devolution. Frankly, all this talk from you lot just sounds like double thought gobbledegook to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimpazilla Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Frankly, all this talk from you lot just sounds like double thought gobbledegook to me. Now ^that^ is the first sensible thing I've seen in this thread. While you guys were spending countless hours yesterday crafting paragraphs about your processes and either patting yourselves on the back or hacking yourselves apart, some of us were actually using that time to make music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argle Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Now ^that^ is the first sensible thing I've seen in this thread. While you guys were spending countless hours yesterday crafting paragraphs about your processes and either patting yourselves on the back or hacking yourselves apart, some of us were actually using that time to make music. It sounds to me like you've never experience the joy of tweaking your DAW settings for hours. I'm not joking in the slightest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timaeus222 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 It sounds to me like you've never experience the joy of tweaking your DAW settings for hours. I'm not joking in the slightest. To be honest, I feel the same way. I love production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillRock Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Frankly, all this talk from you lot just sounds like double thought gobbledegook to me. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimpazilla Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 It sounds to me like you've never experience the joy of tweaking your DAW settings for hours. I'm not joking in the slightest. You ARE kidding me, right? I am learning Cubase, and also attempting to learn Vienna Ensemble Pro to run inside of Cubase. Tweaking and learning routing is all I've been doing for about two weeks. But yeah, I'm doing that instead of typing about it to you guys. (oh and I'm loving it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argle Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 You ARE kidding me, right? I am learning Cubase, and also attempting to learn Vienna Ensemble Pro to run inside of Cubase. Tweaking and learning routing is all I've been doing for about two weeks. But yeah, I'm doing that instead of typing about it to you guys. (oh and I'm loving it) Fair enough then. I am personally not wasting any time here, because I'm stuck at work. Although I've wondered if I could set up some kind of remote connection to my production PC that would let me actually make music at work. That idea is crazy enough to be worth considering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimpazilla Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Fair enough then. I am personally not wasting any time here, because I'm stuck at work. Although I've wondered if I could set up some kind of remote connection to my production PC that would let me actually make music at work. That idea is crazy enough to be worth considering. You never waste time here, your replies are always short and witty (I love that tbh). And yeah if you have the ability to make music at work (or tweak or w/e), DOOOOO EEEEET. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nase Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 i probably did waste my time on here. wanted to write music yesterday, but that shit is hard. btw, personally, i don't like production. at all. i like ideas. sometimes production is needed to express ideas better. necessary evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ectogemia Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 To be honest, I feel the same way. I love production. Production is my favorite part of writing music. Y'all jus' h8n. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avaris Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Fair enough then. I am personally not wasting any time here, because I'm stuck at work. Although I've wondered if I could set up some kind of remote connection to my production PC that would let me actually make music at work. That idea is crazy enough to be worth considering. Team Viewer, set it up as a personal license. I use this to access my code base at home from work. So it should work the other way around for accessing your music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazygecko Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Production and writing (and performing) overlap more than what most people think. In the end you're just manipulating frequencies either way. If you just end up wasting hours on trying to EQ your tracks to make them fit better or whatever, then it likely means you've made some sub-optimal choices in the arrangement and you're effectively trying to sweep the problem under the rug with the production process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabeel Ansari Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 It sounds to me like you've never experience the joy of tweaking your DAW settings for hours. I'm not joking in the slightest. To be honest, I feel the same way. I love production. Just because you don't take time to try and craft your process into something that is expressible and consistent doesn't mean you're not good at what you do. I don't explain to people how complex my project files are, doesn't mean they aren't. Also, I echo that "myeh" production sentiment. In the more recent year I've been kind of shying away from it. This is because I'm really bad at writing and good production is incapable of saving bad writing, so I'm putting it on the backburner and focusing on part-writing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timaeus222 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Just because you don't take time to try and craft your process into something that is expressible and consistent doesn't mean you're not good at what you do. True, but at least for Argle and I, we both love doing it, and I'd give props to Argle's production if he wanted me to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argle Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Just because you don't take time to try and craft your process into something that is expressible and consistent doesn't mean you're not good at what you do. I don't explain to people how complex my project files are, doesn't mean they aren't. Also, I echo that "myeh" production sentiment. In the more recent year I've been kind of shying away from it. This is because I'm really bad at writing and good production is incapable of saving bad writing, so I'm putting it on the backburner and focusing on part-writing. Jeez dude, I was just having a lighthearted joke with Chimpazilla. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eino Keskitalo Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Yeah shut up stop posting on the forum about making music. that was close to around the time I was borndo you feel old yet All the time! --Eino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 When I started writing music I didn't knew you could import MIDIs and replace the instruments. As a result, transcribing songs by ear seemed natural to me. Sometimes ignorance is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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