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As for C.S., I disagree with you there as well. I think the concept was good but the execution was lacking in that there were a lot of inexperienced remixers, so the general remix quality was often inconsistent (and poor). If people like Jeremy Robson, Steffan Andrews, Russell Cox, and Vampire Hunter Dan had been on board, it would have been stronger. Not to say the final result was bad; it wasn't, but it wasn't without flaws.

Thank you for saying what I'd been thinking :) I'd have killed to work on CT material.

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Forgot to ask.

Owing to certain slowdowns on the part of a certain mixer, there are (to my knowledge) no chiptune soundfonts available for use in software synthesizers.

So how the hell did they manage to get the One Winged Chiptune into the mix, and even lay some low strings under it?

slowdowns? no chiptune soundfonts? whaaaa?

there's lots of chiptune soundfonts out there. most of them are actually pretty awful, but that's not to say they don't exist. the way I did it however, was through usage of VSTi. ymVST to be precise (which I no longer use since the creation of my own nintendo chip synth). then it was just a matter of crunching some mono drum samples. it's really not even a very accurate chiptune (there's too much polyphony for one thing). once you render it, it can be used however the hell you want. like how spekko wrote the intro of black wing metamorphosis around it.

that's just one method; there's tons of different ways to do it. you can use soundfonts, you can recycle old compo packs, or you could even sequence actual NSFs etc with famitracker and convert them to WAV. if you know synthesizers at all, you can create pretty decent approximations with just about any softsynth as well. whatever works best for you, man.

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Just read the Judges' dicisions on "Collision". It's too bad that this awesome track hasn't been accepted after the re-vote. I can understand where they're coming from regarding usage of other source material. Still though, I can't imagine this track sounding vastly different from what it is now. I'm glad Darangen was able to easily combine his inspiration to the track itself. Plus, now I'm interested about David Crowder Band...

BTW, glad you liked the reviews, Dhsu. :)

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How lucky I am.

I would have probably missed this release, if not I saw this announcement on a site I just checked some "things" from the anime FF Unlimited. It was a wounderful FF site btw, named: Final Fantasy Compendium. So I thought I would just check its "home"-page before I would terminate the window. And saw this release in the news section. Talk about tomato in the face: :tomatoface:

I am (preferably) the biggest FF fan here, so a thing like this really blows me away. I know, I know, I should not say "the biggest", but we talk something rare here.

Anyways, one thing that makes me extra glad is the wav files included. I just cannot understand all those who says "why and why include mega huge WAV files?".

It is all about quality!!

And wav is original raw material, so to speak. Lossless real PCM quality !!! And like one said earlier (I think it was zircon): "for those who want to record top notch quality to cd's we have included wav files & mp3 is nice to have tagged and all to include in a mp3 player for example". [~]

So it is nice to have *.wav for cd recording and *.mp3 for computer and mp3 player listening. I'm happy for both of the formats... and seeded the whole package for at least 1:1 ratio. (I have a pretty slow PC).

And with a modern BT client you can choose to what download (I say it again!), so no biggy! Besaids, if the 2 formats had been splitted into 2 torrents, most would download the mp3 version and the wav version would have terrible seed. So it was the right decision. :!:

Why not FLAC then?

hmmm... flac is lossless too. But somehow it feels like wav gives a slighty better quality. With constant kbps ... what is it 1400kbps I think. Just feels better than ~800kbps that FLAC have.

So about the songs?

Well, I have not been able to listen to any of the songs yet. So I have no idea how they sound. In the beginning of this thread, like all say it is a fantastic album. Then in the middle one or two criticizement start to show up (they always do sooner or later), and at the end it is more like 50/50. So I DO wounder how good this really is.

I have good faith. So I want to hear it first when I have burned all 4 cd's on the critical CD Media: MAM-A 24k Gold Audio-CD. With grinded edge for even better sound and burning preformance. Start sounding as a quality freak: yes I am!

I will do this later today I think.

Then I will listen to it with my Sennheiser HD650 headphones; connected with SAA Equinox cable; powered with MF X-Can V3 headphone amplifier = BiG True Sound!

Hifi geek? Yupp!

That's why I want to listen first with this system. I believe first impression is very important in terms of both audio and video. Better quality at those times are proportional to the impression, I believe [partly].

SO I will hear it with best possible quality I can with my trade-mark 3-step::

1. Burn with *.wav files with Nero 8 and a Plextor burner powered with clean power from special filters and cables.

2. Use grind edged Top Notch special 24k gold audio cd's especially designed for audio recordings. Less jitter during recording and trueer sound during playback.

3. Hear it with my best audio equipment I own. In this case with my headphones. First impression can begin..

I will let you all know what I thought of the album when I have heard all four cd's. I am quite excited ... maybe I will play FF7 before I hear, haha! 8O:razz:

oh btw, TX A LOT for this release!!! Means a lot for us few truly TRUE fans!

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hmmm... flac is lossless too. But somehow it feels like wav gives a slighty better quality. With constant kbps ... what is it 1400kbps I think. Just feels better than ~800kbps that FLAC have.

Welcome to the fray :) Last I checked, lossless is lossless. It does not remove any information, it just compresses the file size so as to occupy less disk space. The "compressed" bitrate has absolutely nothing to do with audio quality. It decompresses on the fly as you play it, bit for bit a mirror copy of the wave file. Much like if you ZIP a file, the unzipped version won't be "slightly better quality." With mp3 or other lossy codecs, it actually alters the data reducing its quality.

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You can get a vinyl burner for like $35 these days. You need the 5.25" to 15" drive bay converter though.

Which is something the DJ community is very happy about. Having a company press vinyl is expensive....

And in case I went too far off topic: good project.

;-)

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On a related note, one of the things I said at the beginning of VotL was that I wanted every song to be OCR-quality in both production and arrangement. I think at worst we may have a couple songs that would be borderline votes, but the vast majority would be YES or direct post. I feel that this is one of the best aspects of the project, and a standard that I hope future project leaders will try to follow.

Out of curiosity, then, why haven't more of the songs been posted? I saw the thing with Collision and the ripped ("borrowed") intro, but there are many tracks on the album which have yet to find their way onto OCR. To me, it always seems dissonant to have songs on an OCR-affiliated album which the site itself doesn't approve. And that of course goes for songs on all the other album projects as well.

Last I checked, lossless is lossless.

Monkey's Audio FTW. Its compression is slightly better.

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Out of curiosity, then, why haven't more of the songs been posted? I saw the thing with Collision and the ripped ("borrowed") intro, but there are many tracks on the album which have yet to find their way onto OCR. To me, it always seems dissonant to have songs on an OCR-affiliated album which the site itself doesn't approve. And that of course goes for songs on all the other album projects as well.

We don't post songs that don't get submitted ;) Many people didn't submit their music. We have several more things in the queue from the project that have been YESed, and a few more that are about to be YESed.

Darangen's "Collision" is another story. He didn't tell me or anyone else that he had been inspired by the David Crowder band, had I known I might have been more concerned... I only found out after the release of the project itself.

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Also I wanted to drop in and tell Bladiator how awesome his track is. Particularly how awesome it is that he covered "Lifestream." Awesome.

Oh, how I so agree. I was disappointed to see no evidence of a Lifestream rendition (oh so ironic considering the project name) since it has always struck me as having such potential to be used in a serenely emotive little rearrangement. And I was even *thinking* piano! Fortunately Bladiator AWESOMELY came to the rescue, hiding that calm evocative melody within his "Various Themes". I only wish that the theme went on for longer. But this pianist knows how to make his medleys go down smooth, so I really cannot complain. :)

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Just so you know, myself and AnotherSoundscape started a Lifestream remix for this, but I was feeling crap and couldn't come up with anything at the time. We shall finish it and submit it sometime soon-ish.

We shall? You didn't tell me! XD

no rly, we shall.

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Well, I've only gotten the time to listen to it from start to finish once, and it was mostly very good. (I had a few randomly selected tracks on a cheap, portable media player.)

The fade-out endings on some of the songs.. Well.. I recall the fade-out endings gave me some preview-like feeling of the "album," but this was at the start. I have mostly good feelings about how this project turned out.

There were perhaps two or there tracks that gave me a "WTF is this doing in here?" and "err, was this really done by this/these artists?" (in a negative way). That was me being brutally honest.

I'd say I enjoyed 98% (figuratively) of the music; not as fan arrangements, but as music on its own with FF VII as a bonus. Lots of detail, of course, and JENOVA references. Batman. The Adrenalyne Kyck--nice touch with the vocals; a breath of fresh air.

Oh, and I'm fairly sure there was one Aphex Twin-inspired reference in one song. As I said, I've only listened to it once from start to finish, and some random tracks. IT'S 3H 26M 24S!

Very good! Too many songs, though. ;)

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So, I walked into a Gamestop today and was spending a bit of time browsing, when I heard a familiar song in the background... "Son of Chaos". I had to get closer to the sound system to be sure. I asked the manager who made the playlist, and he said he did, and I asked what it was and he said "oh that's from OCRemix.org!" I asked the second question, of course, because I wasn't sure if he knew the source of the music (hey, some people don't.)

Anyway, I introduced myself and Jill and he was thrilled to have us there. He's apparently a huge fan of OCR and VotL - he grabbed it the day it came out. Other mixes played (while I was there) included "Airships Make Me Happy" and "Adrenalyne Kyck". I'm sure he had more queued up, but I didn't have a lot of time to spare.

Good to know, eh? :)

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Consistently better stuff than what I usually find on OCRemix... I love this release already, and mostly because of the Crazy Motorcycle remix (hats off to tefnek, he really captured the spirit on this one, I listen to it all the time - it's great with a subwoofer... I cannot write well enough to convey my feelings of awe for this song. Sadly, these don't carry on to most of the other songs). I think the One Winged Angel remix was very interesting and yet somehow managed to convey the 'omfg you're in trouble' feeling. The only gripe I have with it is that the vocals aren't very clearly enunciated and sometimes feel like they're behind the beat.

Valse for Aeris was way too long. Also everything was legato, so take some tips from J. Strauss II: get more pizzicato in there. This song definitely needed it... otherwise a waltz can become rather boring. Still, it made me think of FF8 and Rinoa, so that elicited a chuckle from me. If you fix some long boring sections I'm sure I'll like it. I don't mind an upbeat Aerith's Theme. Blind's remix JENOVA Celestial had a very nice atmosphere, but he didn't have to stick with the melody all the way, which sounded kinda strange. I think he should have developed the melody in a totally different direction and not just stick to the script. Suco de Melancia also sticks a little too close to the spirit...around 1:20 the song sounds like the soloist who was supposed to play for that section was sleeping and didn't make it on time; 1:50, the vibraphone (electric piano?) solo was too damn short. If you're going to use the standard theme but change the melody just a teeny bit, make it sound like it's a real jam for Christ's sake. No real band would play a solo that lasts 10-20 seconds.

Short Skirts is an awesome, very chuckle-inducing remix of Tifa's Theme. I don't know what more I can say about it, because I like it a lot.

Also, does anybody know if Bladiator is nice enough to provide me with the sheet music for 'Golden Ivories of Gaia'? I especially love 1:13. What's that part called again? Is that part of the Main Theme? 1:50 also was an especially nice arrangement.

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So, I walked into a Gamestop today and was spending a bit of time browsing, when I heard a familiar song in the background... "Son of Chaos". I had to get closer to the sound system to be sure. I asked the manager who made the playlist, and he said he did, and I asked what it was and he said "oh that's from OCRemix.org!" I asked the second question, of course, because I wasn't sure if he knew the source of the music (hey, some people don't.)

Anyway, I introduced myself and Jill and he was thrilled to have us there. He's apparently a huge fan of OCR and VotL - he grabbed it the day it came out. Other mixes played (while I was there) included "Airships Make Me Happy" and "Adrenalyne Kyck". I'm sure he had more queued up, but I didn't have a lot of time to spare.

Good to know, eh? :)

Woo! :D

I'm so pimping this at my local gamestores (they all know me :( I'm there too much) and see if I can achieve some similar result.

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So, I walked into a Gamestop today and was spending a bit of time browsing, when I heard a familiar song in the background... "Son of Chaos". I had to get closer to the sound system to be sure. I asked the manager who made the playlist, and he said he did, and I asked what it was and he said "oh that's from OCRemix.org!" I asked the second question, of course, because I wasn't sure if he knew the source of the music (hey, some people don't.)

Anyway, I introduced myself and Jill and he was thrilled to have us there. He's apparently a huge fan of OCR and VotL - he grabbed it the day it came out. Other mixes played (while I was there) included "Airships Make Me Happy" and "Adrenalyne Kyck". I'm sure he had more queued up, but I didn't have a lot of time to spare.

Good to know, eh? :)

That just made my week - seriously, I'm like trippin' now.

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I don't remember if I ever posted in this thread or not, but I just wanted to say this project absolutely KILLS. It took some time to let the whole project sort of gestate in my brain, because there's just so many joygasmic, aural sensations to be had. I love it all.

Good work, everyone!!

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