Eino Keskitalo

I've passed the link around to a couple of people. I just thought of a couple more, actually. Might even try to doodle something myself, though I'm not much of a visual artist. It'd probably be fun though! --Eino

Nice to see another episode! I cannot join this round, but the last round was very cool to take part in so I highly recommend this compo! --Eino

Yes! I have a piece under works (a mash up of the first level theme with an Okami source) which was started for Game Duels #2 EP but I guess no-one else is working on that anymore. Would definitely like to do (and hear!) more Iji arrangements. --Eino

Well, I actually managed to get something in, assuming I'm on time. (: .....uploading..... --Eino

A couple of things came up, so I doubt I'll finish my piece unfortunately. :/ I really like the original, though! It's been fun tinkering with it. --Eino

Good show once again. I think this was the first time someone's phone rang during the show The dropout while Mikeaudio was talking about his getting into OCR was a bit tragic. And I'll third the recommendation for coda's tracer - a great album. Oh and Arrow mentioned Star Control 2 on a previous episode - thumbs up from me! --Eino

Yes! Yes! Yes! ..nope. But that's seriously one of the games I enjoyed the best and the soundtrack is brilliant, and severely underrepresented on OCR. If someone did start a project, I would certainly claim a track later on. --Eino

I got the sampler, enjoying it. I also enjoyed the podcast. bustatunez' Final Showdown is what I believe is referred to as "freakin' epic". Kind of a shame the game itself never was completed, but at least the music survives. --Eino

Someone call their Outrun track "Larry's Ferrari". --Eino

This episode #220 is pretty cool. --Eino

So nice to listen to a new Hylian Lemon piece after a good while. Great stuff as usual, and seems like you've been getting better while still doing your thing! I have one nitpick, the leads are a tiny bit loud to my taste in the first third. The quieter bit in the middle is of course fine, but the last two thirds in general seem a bit better balanced. --Eino

Yeah, I have my round #2 piece almost finished (should work on timaeus' crits). One of the tracks I want to save for another possible project and the other two probably need a lot of work to be finished, and I don't want deadlines (for that much work) anytime soon. But anyway, yes, I could do that one track. Sounds like a good idea too. --Eino

I find the "it can't be improved" angle weird.. well, different from mine I guess. To me the point is almost never to "improve" on the original. The best NES or C64 soundtracks for example are perfect as they are already. You get inspired & do your own version, that's all. --Eino

Lively Town from Shining Force 2 is a great, great piece of music: I've sworn off from starting new tracks this year so I'm just leaving that as a suggestion. --Eino

The instrumentation is very cool. A bass instrument wouldn't hurt. Mixing wise, I know it's a rough take but the ukulele and especially the bassy percussion thing are much louder and all the flutes and stuff you'd really like to hear are way there in the background. Looking forward to hearing updates! --Eino

All my tracks sound better with that insane radio compression SMD has. And I really don't want to do that myself! Arrrgh! --Eino

Plenty of melody actually.. don't know how it plays in-game though, I only have the OST. --Eino

Thanks for all the great feedback, folks! I'm planning to polish up my tune at some point. There's a lot to work on, and you're all giving me lots of great pointers. I listened to the tracks via the Sega Mixer Drive, it was great fun. I gave some comments on the IRC channel so I'm pulling some of those here. Maybe a little harsher than all the kind constructive comments you other people have given here. No offense meant; I was glad to hear each of the pieces. Tuberz: 23:09 < Keskitalo> really liking how this piece is going, incidentally 23:11 < Keskitalo> I don't know the sources, but - assuming they're both prominent - they're really well integrated 23:11 < Keskitalo> mm nice bass Sterlign Otiz: 23:13 < Keskitalo> I like the sound and the minimalism, there's a warped feeling to this 23:14 < Keskitalo> obviously not very high level skill, but some cool musical ideas Garpocalypse vs DusK: 23:21 < Keskitalo> Hmm.. Garpo's piece was cool but felt like it kind of lacked the lead instrument, Dusk's was cool but the sequencing was mechanical and the partwriting was kind of static.. the backing didin't adjust to melody, it's like there should've been chord changes at points but weren't TheGuitahHeroe: 23:22 < Keskitalo> Oh right, this is my match up right 23:23 < Keskitalo> I'm like "cool song, sounds kidn of familiar" 23:23 < Keskitalo> not my tune, but since it's the same sources -> duhhh 23:24 < Keskitalo> I wish I had been paying attention earlier during TGH's piece, I didn't listen to how Death Egg was used, but the Bridge Zone was really well used I thought 23:28 < Keskitalo> yeah, TGH's much better produced BrothaDom: 23:59 < Keskitalo> I like the vocals, the backing is a mess frankly (to elaborate: I really dug the vocals, but all the backing is really out of key) theshaggyfreak: 00:03 < Keskitalo> Hmm, this is likely to be a touch pick, I like this a lot but Flexstyle's is going to be good I bet 00:03 < Keskitalo> tough pick I mean 00:04 < Keskitalo> that was a bit short I guess though? Chernabogue: 00:47 < Keskitalo> nice electronic bass in the instrumentation 00:47 < Keskitalo> I always like fusiony stuff Sorry for not commenting everything. --Eino

Excellent post. Some comments about comparison to film music: I just happen to be reading some film history, and the book I'm reading notes (with quotes from filmmakers of the time) that music in (mainstream) films very quickly settled into the formula of emphasizing the on-screen action, suggesting what the audience should feel etc. The alternative would be to consider music/sound as its own element, the soundtrack could comment or challenge the other elements. Now I was thinking in terms of VGM, the earlier music often has a character of its own and is much more of its own element in the game, like you mentioned, perhaps even in discord to the on-screen action. This adds a layer of its own to the game. So I would argue, the older VGM is actually deeper in terms of what it adds to the game, and also stands better on its own. I hope you get what I mean, because I have trouble of expressing this in English. I actually personally find Terraria's soundtrack quite memorable & remixable, though I guess I agree it doesn't have much melody. It still has plenty of hooks though! Personally I do remix new VGM (WIPS in my signature are 3/4 from newer games), but it tends to be the kind of VGM that is very old-school. --Eino

I'll make a note, I was actually thinking along the same lines so it's great that you mentioned it! --Eino

I've made a wip thread for "Katumus". It's updated, I think I've checked all the crits I got here including repetitive drums and leads. --Eino

edit: submitted on 2014-09-19 Here's a rearrangement from the second round of Final Fantasy Crystal Clash competition. It mixes together with .DL: https://www.dropbox.com/s/za4vu51xxg99r7y/eino_keskitalo_-_katumus-20140915-fc2.mp3?dl=0 (2014-09-15) Should be finished. -- old -- Stream (older wip): https://soundcloud.com/eino-keskitalo/eino-keskitalo-katumus I think it's nearing completion. Let me know if anything sticks out! Thanks already to all who gave great comments on the compo thread, especially Chimpazilla and Riversound. --Eino

Man, I don't want to look like the bad guy, grabbing Brandon's hard-earned pay.. Donating it to OCR actually sounds great to me! I agree with the outcome (as you can tell by the vote), Tuberz did a great job throughout and I really liked his piece in the final. Good job d00d I think I got to the finals a little easier, my first two rounds the other competitor didn't manage to turn in a full track (though Hakŝtock dropped out?) I'm amazed I won Chernabogue, he did really great pieces in the compo, I love the consistent style in all of them. It was great to get to the finals, that's the best since you get to make the maximum amount of pieces. (: I tried to do something different each round and I think I succeeded: a vocal piece, a chip/trance tune, a pop rock instrumental, and some electronic slightly trackeresque mush.. well I think that was far enough from the second piece to count as different. I also think my SZRC piece is also different, an adult rock.. well, pretty close to Luja but still. That looks to be my only SZRC round, which is actually good since I'm pretty burnt out now. I plan to finish all four of my pieces, though that'll likely take some time. I usually work on pieces slowly over vast periods of time, so the quick pace of the compos is a great challenge to me. I actually resolved to stop making new pieces this year and make 2014 the year of finishing and submitting mixes to OCR. (: I think Katumus (the chip trance thing) is pretty close to finished, I got such great feedback from y'all and was inspired to do a bunch of work on it already. Great compo as far as I'm concerned, I got a lot done and had a lot of fun. I wish I had more time to give feedback but just didn't. Thanks to everyone & especially Brandon for running this finalfantastic competition! --Eino

I struck a chord by accident which made the whole arrangement take the adult rock route.. my creative advisor calls it "ZZ Top meets punk.. in a bad way" Glad to hear that! Here's the title: http://translate.google.com/#auto/en/sininen%20siili%20sillalla --Eino

Sorry, I couldn't work that into my flow that fast.. if there's a next round for me, perhaps then? edit: oh yeah, subbed my piece --Eino