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A wintry remix of Ice Cap Zone from the PC version of Sonic the Hedgehog 3. This is a finished piece. Not intended for submission to OCR. Happy Holidays. Sonic the Hedgehog 3 PC - Polar Crush [4.47MB MP3]

Yeah, I have to concur. Noob.

How much is it? I have iPod Touch, so I can play it.

So... What did you guys think of my mix?

I'd rather you didn't. This thread has already gotten to nowhere. You've made your point, time to let sleeping dogs lie.

I'm a mod. I kind of have to keep tabs on active threads.

The point is that you're barking up the wrong tree. Or preaching to the choir. Point is, pretty much everyone here can understand why Nintendo did what they did. And they can also understand that yeah, you think it's wrong. So just lay off now. You made your point. Fair-use is ambiguous. Oh no.

Stop that right now. I've seriously had enough of your bullshit with shit like this. Quit it with the insinuations. I gave this thread a shot because I thought people could discuss stuff nicely, but it looks like you can't do so without making insinuations and assumptions. Thread over.

Memorization is a big part of speedrunning a game. Hell, think about old sonic games (and the sonic rush games); memorization is key.

Non-video-game goes in non-remixes.

I'd rather have a good game with good graphics than a good game with bad graphics. And if a bad game has good graphics, you can be assured I won't be playing it for long.

Why not? I love retro looking games. Also: stop double-posting. Don't use threaded mode.

How is that highly jaded? I play a lot of games that have ok graphics. I just prefer them to look good enough to play. For the record, I'm not talking about TFC. I've never played that game; I don't know what it looks like. I'm just talking about stuff in general. EDIT: Also, stop double posting. Don't use threaded mode.

They're called video games for a reason. Bad graphics can ruin the experience and peripherally affect gameplay. If something looks really generic and dull, I know I'm less likely to play it for a long time. It gets boring, and bad art direction can really kill the experience. Nobody likes looking at brown blobs all day.

Seriously? Out of all of 2008? Think back to January. Somehow I doubt losing a campaign in L4D is your greatest video game moment of the year.

He's a good guy in real life. Something about the internet turns him into a fucking moron.

Of course a judge will have a vested interest in not getting a song he believes shouldn't pass not passed. We do it all the time, if not publically. We don't judge in little boxes and then read what everyone else said after the fact. We're a panel of judges. We discuss, argue, disagree, and try to convince. He was, and there is nothing wrong with that. No, idealistically and realistically we judge a track on its own merits and faults and also take into account what our fellow judges say about it. Sorry, but no. If you construe that from what he said, you're an idiot. Plain and simple. Oh sorry, was that unprofessional? Grow some thicker skin and don't cry on other peoples' behalf. Lurk more.

They pick and choose what they want to shut down; perhaps they don't see either game as a dilution of trademark or a threat to sales of a future product.

Aaaand we're done. When you start trash-talking about your skillz in vidja games, that's where I say "enough." This argument is really going nowhere. Here's what you do alt.slack. Make a TFC server. Post the info in your sig. Go review some remixes and help out on the WIP boards. If anyone wants to play with you, they will. Capice? Have a nice day.

Nobody's getting livid. The problem is that you don't really have a point. You're trying to justify EE's actions with some pretty weak arguments. You did compare what EE did to what OCR does, trying to draw parallels and then doomsaying the future of OCR, saying that you're very worried; and yet we've shown you that they are very different things and that OCR isn't in any real danger because of those differences. What it boils down to is that EE was doing something that--whether intentional or not--promoted piracy. They got called on it. So boo hoo, no modded smash for anyone.

Please. It's not activism. Most of the people who are up in arms about this couldn't give two shits about copyright law; they just want to play Smash Bros. with custom textures. There are no noble intentions here.

OK, so what do you suggest we do? Save us, oh wise and learned Kieser.

Except, you know, they didn't.

Because they're making profit by selling those arrangements. Of course not, but it's still different from what ]EE[ did, because--legality aside--they are using game textures and directly modifying the game; the only way the product they put out WORKS is by engaging in some kind of infringement/piracy and as such it promotes that. OCR doesn't require you to pirate anything to make or listen to remixes. Yes, it's still illegal, but it's also not the same as what ]EE[ does. Art in the upper right is no worse than any other fansite anywhere else in on the internet and does nothing to dilute the trademark of any associated company. We're not putting out a product based on the direct modification of those images OCR is also a registered non-profit organization. We don't make any profit, express or not. No there wouldn't, but keep in mind the game industry does know about us. One of the biggest game developers out there just put out a game with a fully remixed soundtrack by us. What it really boils down to is that what we do here at OCR is far more analogous to fan-art and fan-fiction than what ]EE[ has done.

What's your point? Are you trying to get everyone here to be all indignant about it? It's not the same as what we do here at OCR. We don't use copyrighted media in our mixes. We frown on sampling and we promote the purchase of game soundtracks. We take a hardline stance against piracy here. A texture mod inherently promotes piracy and/or infringement. You can't use the mod without getting an ISO of the game and you can't play an ISO of the game without modding your Wii; and let's be perfectly clear here: the majority of people out there that use a modified Wii run pirated software. The people who mod their Wiis for noble intentions are few and far between. Average joe sees this mod and says, "hey I wanna do that," so he does the research and figures out how to run ISOs on his Wii. Then he figures "hey i can run ISOs on my Wii, why bother buying any games anymore?" It's a no-brainer. You can say they did everything they could to discourage piracy, but what does that really entail? Just posting "Please don't pirate the game" on their website? "DELETE THESE ROMS AFTER 24 HOURS." Yeah, ok.