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Just a heads up, I've changed the donation target away from xfactor's crappy clanpay crap... turns out they don't deduct the sum from the monthly bill unless its paid in full, and getting $150 in there isn't likely any time soon.

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There are apparently a few interesting changes that got added to the Beta version of the game yesterday.

First are two new items:

New Flaregun - The Detonator:

- Alt-fire detonates flare in flight

---- Does a small explosion that catches players on fire

- 20% explosion damage vulnerability

- Flares always crit burning targets, regardless of range.

New Medigun - The Quick-Fix:

- Heal rate increased 50%

- Uber charge rate increased 50%

- Not able to overheal

- Match the speed of any faster heal target

- Uber effect: Megaheal

---- Heal rate increased 3x on heal target

---- Heal target and medic immune to stun and damage forces

Another major change is that they've removed the No Crit attribute on all weapons that have it and replaced it with -25% damage dealt.

Replaced the no-crit attribute with -25% damage on the following:

- The Eyelander

- The Gunslinger

- The Southern Hospitality

- The Powerjack (also added +20% melee vulnerability)

- The Horseless Headless Horseman's Headtaker

- The Ullapool Caber

- The Claidheamohmor

Here are all the other weapon changes:

Vitasaw

- Added the ability to see enemy health

Dalokoh’s

- Removed cooldown

Fists of Steel

- Increase deploy times 20%

- Ranged damage reduced 40% (down from 60%)

Loch-n-Load

- +10% damage

Equalizer

- Tuned high-end damage range so it's no longer possible to one-shot certain classes

- Suppress the medic call effect while active

Madmilk

- Heal 60% of damage done (down from 75%)

Flaregun

- Flares always crit burning targets, regardless of range.

Backburner

- Removed the restriction on airblast

---- Ammo cost increased 150% (4 blasts at full ammo)

- Damage bonus reduced to 10% (from 15%)

Sydney Sleeper

- +25% increased charge rate

And finally general changes:

- Added an option to display healing done over heal targets (hud_combattext_healing)

- Display a value whenever the player does something that earns them a bonus point

- Starting position of values is now affected by range to target, making it easier to see numbers when next to targets

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There are apparently a few interesting changes that got added to the Beta version of the game yesterday.

Changes Snipped,

Loch-n-Load

- +10% damage

Most of the changes sound pretty neat, and the new weapons sound kinda cool, but someone at valve really loves demomen.

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I just realized, I forgot one change in that list:

Powerjack:

- +20% melee vulnerability

That's in addition to its -25% damage from the no crit change.

The Powerjack's usefulness just went way down... particuarly since the entire Pyro set lets you run faster, but you now take both more explosive and more melee damage.

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Most of the changes sound pretty neat, and the new weapons sound kinda cool, but someone at valve really loves demomen.

Its the same guy that hates the pyro.

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To anyone who was on last night, I sincerely apologize for my behavior.:oops:

It was uncalled for and I really should just tell myself "it's just a game, I should really just relax".

All I can do is just try to be better about it in the future.:tomatoface:

On topic, I hope that new medi-gun in the beta gets in the main game. It sounds like something that could be very useful.

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There's a lot to chew on in there, though I'm not sure I like the no-crit getting changed to -25% damage on those melee weapons. I've found it hard enough to get Left 4 Heads as-is. The new weapons sound juicy, and I like the Fists of Steel getting nerfed somewhat, because those are kind of ridiculous right now. The Mad Milk change seems like it's tuned more for players who are much better at Scout than I am, since I usually don't get close enough with it to have it deal any huge benefit. And the Backburner tweak actually makes me want to consider using it again. :P

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Replaced the no-crit attribute with -25% damage on the following:

- The Powerjack (also added +20% melee vulnerability)

So The Attendant pyros become melee reliant but do -25% melee damage and take 10% more bullet damage which is something they were already incredibly weak against anyways. AND 20% more melee damage. Way to just nail the lid into the coffin.

Oh but they can get a pretty sweet flare gun that makes them take more explosion damage. That's cool, right?

POSITIVE: Backburner and Flaregun changes sound interesting. Maybe with those considered all that other stuff will make more sense.

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Didn't the Powerjack have a +20% base to begin with?

Also, as I understand it, all flares, not necessarily the Detonator's, get fullcrits.

I hope the Quick Fix makes it past beta.

I sure hope the Powerjack nerf doesn't.

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What role is the Quick-Fix meant to fill?

As strange as it sounds, one of the possible use-cases is to heal a Scout and use the Uber to destroy a sentry gun.

Sadly, that seems to be the main use case, thanks to its speed-up ability.

Although... in theory, that would also apply to a Charging Demoknight...

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Most of the changes sound pretty neat, and the new weapons sound kinda cool, but someone at valve really loves demomen.

strange as it may sound coming from me I really do think that the Loch-n-Load needs a buff

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Woo, finally got my Demopan. (Trading servers are strange places.) Also got a random Vintage item I didn't have for a few random other items, because hurrdurr Vintage e-peen.

I have to say, after playing for a bit earlier, I really hope that Fists of Steel nerf goes through to the actual game. A Heavy should not be able to take a fully-charged headshot, no matter what he's equipped with.

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I'm told that due to how melee attacks are treated ingame, they also count towards the Attendant's bullet vulnerability. This stacks with the Powerjack's new melee vulnerability.

WTF Valve.

(Caber really needs nocrit, Southern Hospitality works either way I guess, Demoknight weapons shouldn't lose attack power for obvious reasons. The Powerjack's all over the place now.)

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So I'm not really sure what to think about those new Pyro changes. I was saving up metal to finish out the Attendant set for myself, but now I'm not sure it's worth it. Doesn't look like the increased run speed will be worth the extra incoming damage at this point.

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So I'm not really sure what to think about those new Pyro changes. I was saving up metal to finish out the Attendant set for myself, but now I'm not sure it's worth it. Doesn't look like the increased run speed will be worth the extra incoming damage at this point.

Don't forget that all those changes are for the TF2 Beta.

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I really like that they're adding airblast to the Backburner. There is really no reason for that weapon to not have airblast.

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I really like that they're adding airblast to the Backburner. There is really no reason for that weapon to not have airblast.

I may start using BB if that gets patched into the main game -- it's about time they made it useable again.

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