BooDidley7 Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 you're right - i read the article wrong. my bad. you're also right in that i mistook texture memory with graphics memory =) No problem, and hope I didn't come off too anal about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabeel Ansari Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 Giving this a bump, considering today is Nintendo's presser. Please stay on topic and talk about Nintendo's new console only in this thread, not Wii games, 3DS stuff, etc. Thanks. ................................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowbar Man Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 (edited) Boodidley is spot on. As for the current topic: I lost bowel control. Edit: oops uh... back to topic: wii u confirmed not to be gamecube compatible though we probably knew that already by now Edited June 10, 2011 by Crowbar Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadofsky Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 the damned already pointed out in this thread that this exact same thing happened to nintendo stock when the wii was announced, and then look what happened afterwards Not trying to derail the thread again, but I found this.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4772109.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Strader Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 HD Graphics with Wii-motes blows my mind, that's just such an amazing idea... So the PS3 sort of did that, and technically they did it first, but it's cool to see Nintendo copying technology that will make their system funner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Damned Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 As someone that still happily plays games that aren't bleeding edge graphics monsters, I'd rather see something fun and entertaining than something that makes graphics fanboys cum in their pants. As tired and cliche as this sounds, the games are what I care about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Strader Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Yeah, I used to say the same stuff until I played Heavy Rain You can have a cake and eat it too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowbar Man Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 (edited) Heavy Rain, the game thats very light on gameplay, but is mostly about story telling and multiple paths? Graphics overall don't matter for its story telling either if you boil it down. It just helps the fact theres not a lot of gameplay that you have something pretty to look at. But it could be low poly PS1 models if the story is good enough, you dont need "good graphics" to enjoy it. For example: lots of Japanese visual novels tell excellent stories with static 2d imagery. If you have to have pretty graphics to enjoy the story, then the story wasn't written well to begin with. Same goes for games: If you have to have pretty graphics to enjoy it, it probably isn't a fun game. A fun game can have good graphics, but it has to be fun gameplay wise first. Also the comment about Nintendo copying Sony because Sony made Wiimotes in HD makes zero sense. You can't copy an idea thats already yours and despite what Sony will have you believe, they didn't create HD Edited June 11, 2011 by Crowbar Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Strader Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 It's a good point that you can tell a story with simple graphics... we're actually working on a playthrough of ff7 right now and it's mostly reading. But you can't deny that expertly crafted graphics have the ability to immerse you so much deeper into a story. That's probably why so many people are clamoring for a FF7 REMAKE and stuff. I dunno, I think Heavy Rain has about as much gameplay as a game like ff7, except replace the "press X during battles" with "do any number of things to work stuff in heavy rain" Imagine the Aeris death scene if it had the detail of the Heavy Rain finger-chopping-off scene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowbar Man Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 (edited) Ironically, example given FF7 had the most ground breaking graphics of its time. Now why would you play it? Story, Gameplay, Music, etc. Thats why people clammer for a remake, the only thing that doesn't stand the test of time IS graphics. So in the end they don't really matter. And honestly at this point, they probably aren't going to improve that dramatically simply because the cost of doing so keeps rising. If WiiHD can do 360/PS3 level graphics in 1080p that would be enough IMO. PS3/360 can't do (natively) 720p half the time. If it can do better, well great too, but its not going to make any major impact. And if PS4/XboxWhatever can do better than that, it wont matter to Nintendo, they have this tablet idea they've focused on anyway, they will continue making Nintendo games and let PS4/XboxWhatever continue the endless "graphic arms" race that just costs more than its worth to Nintendo As long as they dont scare off 3rd party support like they usually do they will be more than fine. I just hope, unlike Wii, they will focus more on making their games top notch and less throwing gimicks at everything, but this Tablet kinda screams gimmicks so i guess we'll see. At least it has a normal control scheme again (dual analogs, buttons, etc) Edited June 11, 2011 by Crowbar Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brushfire Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Ironically, example given FF7 had the most ground breaking graphics of its time. Now why would you play it? Story, Gameplay, Music, etc. Thats why people clammer for a remake, the only thing that doesn't stand the test of time IS graphics. So in the end they don't really matter.And honestly at this point, they probably aren't going to improve that dramatically simply because the cost of doing so keeps rising. If WiiHD can do 360/PS3 level graphics in 1080p that would be enough IMO. PS3/360 can't do (natively) 720p half the time. If it can do better, well great too, but its not going to make any major impact. And if PS4/XboxWhatever can do better than that, it wont matter to Nintendo, they have this tablet idea they've focused on anyway, they will continue making Nintendo games and let PS4/XboxWhatever continue the endless "graphic arms" race that just costs more than its worth to Nintendo As long as they dont scare off 3rd party support like they usually do they will be more than fine. I just hope, unlike Wii, they will focus more on making their games top notch and less throwing gimicks at everything, but this Tablet kinda screams gimmicks so i guess we'll see. At least it has a normal control scheme again (dual analogs, buttons, etc) Truly there was not a flaw in this game to be found but in the graphics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquid wind Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 (edited) Truly there was not a flaw in this game to be found but in the graphics. mistranslations added to FFVII if anything! 'ey oinkness this image predates the PSMove by 3-4 years too ... on the actual subject of the U, it's good to see nintendo using something kind of close to an actual controller again but I'll have to play it to really know, it looks potentially pretty uncomfortable. I'd like them to make something that fits the hands perfectly like the gamecube controller again :/ Edited June 11, 2011 by liquid wind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitty Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 WiiMote took a little getting used to, but it's close enough to an actual controller that I really don't give a shit about it having waggle controls or not. I still use two hands and have an analog stick with triggers. Works for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensei Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 I think graphics actually do play a significant role in the enjoyment of a game. The Witcher 2 is a perfect example because while it's very solid gameplay and storywise, the almost next-gen graphics really help push it over the edge and immerse you in the setting. I also don't get the complaints about the wiimote+nunchuck because waggle gimmick aside, being able to move your hands independently of each other is like the most comfortable thing ever to me. Overall, I think Nintendo might be on to something here. As it is, the Wii U will most likely have about 2 years of free reign over the console market and lure in the 'hardcore' console crowd with better graphics and a bunch of solid third party franchises. Once Sony and Microsoft get their successors going, the Wii U will probably fall behind in technical terms, but will have a chance to once again profile itself as the cheapest console with a lot of appeal to casual gamers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquid wind Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 I think the wii remote/chuk is alright when used as a normal controller, it could use another easily accessible button or two, but it's good and I do like being able to move the hands independently. I actually played brawl competitively for a few years using it but motion controls were nearly always implemented in a bad way, I really don't want any more of that. part of it is that nintendo has no restraint and has to force waggle into EVERYTHING(DKCR waggle roll is completely inexcusable, they could have mapped it to a button easily), but yeah, it also forces the use of waggle at times by not having enough buttons(okami is a good example requiring waggle for attack...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophetik music Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Ironically, example given FF7 had the most ground breaking graphics of its time. Now why would you play it? Story, Gameplay, Music, etc. Thats why people clammer for a remake, the only thing that doesn't stand the test of time IS graphics. So in the end they don't really matter. ff7 hasn't aged well, at all. it's got a lot more issues than just graphics that don't look good on a big screen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XZero Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 ff7 hasn't aged well, at all. it's got a lot more issues than just graphics that don't look good on a big screen The graphics looked like crap even back then, or at least the character models did. Let us not forget that it released in 1997. Compare that to Super Mario 64's models. Backgrounds and cutscenes go to FFVII, but their quality is drastically adversely affected by the character models. As far as how the game has aged, I don't know that I agree it hasn't aged very well. It's still infinitely better than many RPGs I've played since it came out, and the materia system is my personal favorite system in any FF game. Though I suppose the translation could have been a bit better. All the same, I may just be unable to take off my nostalgia goggles. You'd have to get the opinion of an RPG fan who's playing it for the first time in 2011. I like FFVII and will always enjoy it for some reason. But back on the topic of the Wii U, I agree with liquid wind that motion controls, while okay in some situations, are almost always implemented poorly. I thought Twilight Princess handled it well enough (though it was a better game on the GCN) and Mario Galaxy did a nice job of integrating them without making them obtrusive. Yet so many other games had them without needing them. Donkey Kong Country Returns was one of my favorite games last year, but it would have been ever so slightly better if the classic controller was an option rather than having to move the Wii-mote to roll. I'm really hoping Nintendo's focus on core gamers and games means the classic controller is a standard option in almost all non-motion-specific games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkeSword Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Try to stay on topic people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowbar Man Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 (edited) Well heres a shot at staying on topic: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2011-wii-u/716071 Another video of the Zelda Wii U Graphical Tech Demo (this one up close) for those who haven't seen it. Again, just a tech demo, may not even be on real / final hardware 1st Party games so far: Some of these tablet demos im sure will be featured in some sort of Wii U Play Super Smash Bros installment Pikmin 3 I think this is about all the info we'll get until TGS Edit: some more "Tech Specs" so far, since Nintendo doesn't like to talk about that: CPU: IBM Power Architecture multicore (some rumors floating around based on Watson tech) GPU: ATI, Custom based on Radeon HD series (which one who knows) So, at least they've moved off single core and into modern 3D tech. Edited June 11, 2011 by Crowbar Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Strader Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 I don't like the controller. It seems better suited as an intercom / coffee table video chat peripheral than a controller... Like people said, having the 2 pieces with the wiimote and nunchuk has been great, this seems like a step back to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowbar Man Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 (edited) Some people (well, all "core" audiences) want twin analog classic design that is used on every modern console today except missing from the Wii (sans the Classic controller which no game supports practically). Some seem to perfer the wiimote+nunchuck for comfort, but not particularly for actual gameplay (lack of buttons, forced waggle, etc) ... at least the Wii U seems to be offering multiple configuations. Hopefully most games will support: Wiimote*, Wiimote*+Nunchuck, Wii U Tablet, and/or Classic Controller. So theres a controller for everybody. That would be optimum, but Nintendo hasn't done well requiring devs to support multiple controllers with the Wii so I guess we'll see *as i mentioned earlier, for motion based games, hopefully Motion Plus supported/required Edited June 11, 2011 by Crowbar Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekofrog Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 FF7 had bad graphics even when it was released. It only had CG movies that impressed people visually also shariq, stop being such a nazi. this place used to be great before people had to walk on eggshells. you're the only one who cares, none of the other mods do. let people post. if things get a little OT it's fine, as long as it isn't completely derailed. learn to step back and take stock before trying to insert your imaginary authority Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowbar Man Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Well to be fair, we are discussing FF7 in the Wii U thread! lol Though, the lack of info right now makes the topic hard to continue so it'll probably just die until TGS if we dont have much else to talk about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Damned Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Well, I heard from a reliable website that FF7 was going to be released on the Wii U Virtual Console. Think they will update the graphics to something a bit better, or just leave it the old way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquid wind Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 idc if they update the graphics but I might actually consider getting it(if I get a Wii-U) if they fix it so you can use the analog stick instead of the dpad I really don't like the playstation dpad speaking of which, this seems to have the same sticks that the 3DS uses, which seems very different from their past designs. not having a 3DS, what could I expect from this? better, worse, no difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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