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The People's Remix Competition 400 PRCv16-15 Hello everyone and Welcome to the People's Remix Competition! Another milestone for PRC, round 400. A very good reason to make it a special round. And since Sonic The Hedgehog is a very popular game, PRC400 will be the Sonic Special Free Round. All sources from a Sonic The Hedgehog game can be used as source for this round. Please mention which Sonic source you've used for the contest. Source Game: Sonic The Hedgehog (all sources from Sonic The Hedgehog games are allowed) Source Information ThaSauce link: Click here to submit The deadline is Wednesday November 27th 2019 at 10:59 am ThaSauce time (18:00 UTC, 19:00 GMT), check the ThaSauce page for the exact time left. Make sure that the song is uploaded to ThaSauce or that there’s a download link posted in this thread. You may enter as many mixes as you like and work with as many people as you like on each mix. You are free to create a second ThaSauce account for that if you use ThaSauce, it's needed to be able to upload a second remix if you use ThaSauce. Of course you can also upload it somewhere else and put a download link in this thread. Do not make qualitative comments on an entry until the results of the vote have been posted in this thread. Mixers cannot vote for themselves but if they vote they receive a free first place vote added onto their score. The winner of this round may select the source for PRC403, the rounds after the round after next round. That round will have two sources. Sonic The Hedgehog has a vote that counts twice (I don't expect him to vote) You can find the full rules list at this page as well. GOOD LUCK! PRC ThaSauce Home Page

You mean Sonic The Asshole...

I sense a "Sonic the Douchelog Vol. 3" on the horizon...

Haha same here!

I used to do that shit all the time tbh. Before I learned how to make my own music.

400! Wow! Sonic, hmm? @Rexy nudge nudge

Seriously? The first one I get to do is Sonic? You have no idea how much that means to me! I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG! Actually, I want to ask something: how heavily can we remix? How liberal can we be with it? How conservative can we be? I read through the PRC page link, but I didn't see any specifics on what you seek in terms of remixes, other than no MIDI ripping or excessive length.

It's already out.....

Oh god, here we go again....ahem do pardon me....

That's what I do 99.9% of the time. Unless it's Silent Hill, apparently.

@Deedubs was one of the first onboard with the album and this was the first track he picked and finished. He immediately went gung-ho on his idea with little input from me. He finished it in a few short weeks. However, it went through a crazy polishing phase where we handed it off to the faux-judges (since it wasn't supposed to be an official panel critique) of @timaeus222, @Gario, and @Chimpazilla(at the time, she later dropped out due to real life). I do believe it went back and forth between @Deedubs and judges at least three times with not so minor edits, but all that hard work and touching up on this track turned it into something very strong, powerful and memorable. One of the first tracks to be completed for the album and one of my personal favorites!

Oh my God... That was such useful advice. Wow. I can't thank you enough for taking the time to type all of that! I mean it. That was the most detailed and helpful feedback I have ever received on a piece. I will definitely keep this all in mind when I revisit the project file. Thank you so much! [insert award for best poast of the year]

We don't usually accept MIDI rips, because...er..that's what it is. Just ripping the MIDI.

Good, because tbh I feel cheap just midi ripping. I'd rather rearrange.

Were not as strict as we would be in MnP. In MnP, pretty much sticking to the source material is the goal. With PRC, interpretation is more valued. Pretty much Dex has answered your question lol.

For PRC, go nuts. You might not get all the votes if the source is changed beyond all recognition, but really the sky is the limit.

Okay finally having a listen. I love the ambient textures you've got going on for the first minute or so, and throughout the rest of the track. I'm into the slow fade-in, and the panned metallic sounds starting at 0:26 or so are awesome too. Later this dark attitude is taken over by some persistent swirling synths (particularly noticeable during gaps like at 1:35 and 2:00) and this is a nice evolution of the mood. I think these textural elements are my favorite aspects of the piece. I like the choice of a church organ, instrument-wise, for a Robotnik boss theme arrangement (makes me think of the Sonic 3D Blast Saturn boss music actually lol), but I'm not too crazy about it just repeating the same two-note interval from 0:30 until the plucked lead comes in at 1:05. I'd consider exploring a slightly more varied progression there. It doesn't need to deviate super-far from the two notes it currently repeats, maybe you could just climb up and down slowly between higher and lower notes in the same scale while still centering on the two primary ones. It'd make this section more engaging. While the atmosphere is great and things are well-mixed to my ear, I do agree that this remix is pretty far from the source track musically-speaking and probably doesn't have enough of it for OCR's purposes (the submission standards say the source material must be "identifiable and dominant", which I find is often interpreted to mean "50% or more of your remix should use recognizable material from your source track"). Also, on your Flying Battery piece a while back, I mentioned that things sometimes got "a bit too homogeneous/repetitious," and that I wanted "to hear some contrasting energy to break me out" of the established groove for a bit. I feel that way with this track too, but rather than a breakdown I think what I want is a section that's MORE intense somewhere. So, a way to possibly address both these things at once. From 1:05 - 1:34 we get our first clear melody sequence on that plucked synth lead. It's a bit tough to pick out the melody of the source track here, but it's there. I think this is a fine way to introduce us to what this remix is based on, but considering that 1:05 to 1:34 is the closest you ever really get to the source track, I think what I'd like to hear somewhere is a higher-energy section that references the original more closely. As far as all your other lead sections in the piece, there's 2:18 to 2:38 which happens on that harsher more square-ish sustained lead, and then there's a sort of reprise of 1:05 - 1:34 at 2:40 - 3:00. After that, the rest of the track is pretty much pure atmosphere. I really like the sound of the lead at 2:18 to 2:38, but I don't find its progression all that engaging. So I wonder if you could transform this section into a harder-hitting, closer-to-the-source cover (maybe of the B theme, 0:19 to 0:31 in the original). Keep the same synth lead sound, and maybe you could bring the church organ back for supporting harmonies since it doesn't really show up anywhere except the first minute. That's just an example though - go with whatever implementation you might prefer. The idea is to make your track feel like it's building up to something more intense and more familiar from the original that you can then "cool down" from as the piece gets closer to the end, if that makes sense. I remember you saying on your Flying Battery thread that you were "used to structuring [your] original trap and hip-hop tracks to fit verses and a chorus on them". I do think this piece also sounds like it's "waiting" for lyrics or rapping to be layered on top, which would be cool if you decided to pursue it, but as-is I think it creates some perceptible emptiness. 3:00 to the end at 3:52 for instance doesn't really have much going on or introduce us to anything we haven't already heard elsewhere in the piece. If you don't intend to add lyrics or a rap performance, I think the best thing to do would be to fill out most of this empty space with one or more clearer covers of melodies from the original, as I described above. As for the title: I think it's fine, it got a chuckle out of me and on a Sonic 3 remix album I'd immediately know which source track it was referring to. Nice work and good luck!

Hey, no problem L.T.W. I looked up the game a bit before responding to this, seems well worth the time. And that OST, though. I'm not much of an authority on the system, but Madeline's Ascent seems pretty complete to me. If you want to get a more experienced ear on it, set the status of this beauty to "ready for review", wait a week or so, and pm a workshop evaluator for a more professional listen. Or just submit it, what have you got to lose? Keep mixing, this is good stuff!

I totally missed out on this So... when is the next PRC?

It's clear that whoever programmed it was aiming for a hard rock track. I mean, with the rapid notes and pitch bends, it's pretty obvious. At least they got the percussion right. Now, if you'll excuse me, I must go clean the blood from my ears.

Hey at least it has a groove haha. The only good thing about it.

I didn't know video game systems were capable of pumping out such a brutal diarrhea mess.

lmao Guess what? Someone managed to cover it:

Do not pick this one. Do not....

Hey, now, I didn't say I was definitely going to pick that one. I have quite a few in mind. Most of them obscure.

thank you everyone for the wonderful and honest compliements ill admit some parts are loud but i didnt recognize it at the time so i will go over and carefully master the other parts of the track thank you once again!!! i will re upload soon

So true. I read it was done by George Sanger, who is actually pretty legit, in terms of a Video Game Composer. He was just high, when he made this. As for Crazy Bus.

At least I won't pick this one: