Super Smash Bros Brawl

[Bigfoot]

Yes, I play the game. Yes, I post here and I can voice my opinion on it.

Brawl is a pretty different game when compared to Melee.

[defender!!]

i actually like brawl more--a LOT more. i liked melee, but i've never been a fan of extremely fast-paced fighting games...i hated mvc2 too, for instance. i'm an extremely deliberate player and it's why i was so good at n64 smash. i ruined with ness. melee was a step back for me, but i still liked it, i just couldn't get into the pacing of it. used jiggs in that.

brawl is like a mix of the two, taking the slow and floaty engine from 64 that i liked so well while still keeping the relative ease of movement brought in with melee. brawl feels like a cultivation in everything i like about smash.

this isn't to say that melee didn't have any strategy to it, it certainly did, it was just a different kind--one that i wasn't so good at adapting to. i still beat most people in my immediate group of friends, but i could never play on a higher level like i can with brawl.

[Ninja-san]

Wow reading that Smash thread about Ness and Lucas really got me down. Just because of a little issue with chain grabs people aren't gonna play as those two even tho they were their best? Thats really narrow minded and really just sad. I'm still gonna play as Lucas and frankly knowing this could help strengthen my skills. Besides my roommate doesn't know this yet haha@!

Also if someone constantly does the grab chain on me as Lucas then its shows me that their not a great player if they rely on that.

That's my 2 cents about it :\

[cobaltstarfire]

Wow reading that Smash thread about Ness and Lucas really got me down. Just because of a little issue with chain grabs people aren't gonna play as those two even tho they were their best? Thats really narrow minded and really just sad. I'm still gonna play as Lucas and frankly knowing this could help strengthen my skills. Besides my roommate doesn't know this yet haha@!

I agree, then again I've mained Yoshi from way back in the 64 days. Yoshi doesn't seem as unplyable as other people make him out to be. Those of you who main them, keep playing as ness/lucas and see if the chain grabbing thing really is as horrible as it seems to be or if it can be overcome, instead of just forgetting them at the drop of a hat.

Edit: Also, for you Lucas/Nessers, someone tested the death grab thing, and it seems most of the match ups aren't THAT bad.

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=167122

[Bigfoot]

People blow this stuff so out of proportion.

[cobaltstarfire]

You're the one wigging out over the grab thing, sorry for posting a link that might be usefull, I'll just be silent next time. :\

[JCvgluvr]

Yes, I play the game. Yes, I post here and I can voice my opinion on it.

Brawl is a pretty different game when compared to Melee.

To me, it just seems contradictory/hypocritical that someone who frequently posts in the Brawl topic and has a sig based on not one, but two Brawl characters could hate said game. I just don't understand a mind separation like that.

My only explanation is that you like both Lucas and Zamus, and chose to use their best character models in your sig?

Of course, you're not the only one who's like this. Jam Stunna seems equally sanctimonious.

[Bigfoot]

You're the one wigging out over the grab thing, sorry for posting a link that might be usefull, I'll just be silent next time. :\

I was?

To me, it just seems contradictory/hypocritical that someone who frequently posts in the Brawl topic and has a sig based on not one, but two Brawl characters could hate said game. I just don't understand a mind separation like that.

My only explanation is that you like both Lucas and Zamus, and chose to use their best character models in your sig?

Of course, you're not the only one who's like this. Jam Stunna seems equally sanctimonious.

When did I ever say I hated it?

[cobaltstarfire]

Well you made it seem like the game was pointless to you now becaus Lucas had that grab weakness with. "My friends and I are having a tough time trying to like Brawl, heh. It just sucks when some of our favorite characters aren't fun to play anymore."

Right after several posts about ness and lucases problem with being grabbed.

So Lucas an Ness are gimped against a few characters, the point I was making is Yoshi is considered gimped against all but like 3...yet he's still pretty fun to play as (to me) and he can actually win battles, so it's possible maybe people can work around the grab thing and still have fun with Ness and Lucas.

Although it's true you never said you hated it, just that it was less fun now. Nothing wrong with that.

[Jam Stunna]

I hope you didn't think that I literally hate Brawl. My wife does; we used to play Melee for hours on end together, but I can only get her to play 2-3 matches of Brawl, tops. It bores her,and I can totally understand why.

Let's face it: you can't play Melee online. Unfortunately, I feel forced to either a) play the better game alone, or play the lesser game with other people. Pretty crappy choices, but as they say, do as the Romans do.

I am a tourney fag. I achieve the most amount of fun when I play tournament style. That means tournament-legal stages, l-canceling, wave-shining, chain-grabbing, edge-hogging, gimping, comboing, float-canceling, and all of those wonderful things that made Melee so great and deep. Almost none of that is found in Brawl. Make a little change like reducing hit-stun to an almost non-existent level, and you no longer have a fighting game, you have a game of tag. At the highest levels of Melee, you saw some pretty insane shit, and it was amazing. At the highest level of Brawl, you see perfect shield => ftilt. I know, I've played the best in both Melee and Brawl.

With all that said, the Smash community has pretty much decided to move ahead with Brawl as the game for tournaments. I strongly disagree with this decision, but I love the community too much to quit it. So I put on my Ike sig and dumb down my gameplay because, to my unending chagrin, I love you guys.

End rant, I suppose.

[Bigfoot]

Well you made it seem like the game was pointless to you now becaus Lucas had that grab weakness with. "My friends and I are having a tough time trying to like Brawl, heh. It just sucks when some of our favorite characters aren't fun to play anymore."

Right after several posts about ness and lucases problem with being grabbed.

So Lucas an Ness are gimped against a few characters, the point I was making is Yoshi is considered gimped against all but like 3...yet he's still pretty fun to play as (to me) and he can actually win battles, so it's possible maybe people can work around the grab thing and still have fun with Ness and Lucas.

Although it's true you never said you hated it, just that it was less fun now. Nothing wrong with that.

Oh, no, sorry for the misunderstanding then. I was mainly talking about Captain Falcon and Samus.

[Wintermute]

BAWWWWWWW

Just kidding.

[Arek the Absolute]

No, you aren't. He is right. Jam is baaaaaaaaaaaaaawing. With games like MVC2 and SF3rd Strike having a HUGE tournament following regardless of how IMBALANCED and fucked up the games are, it makes me wonder why people treat Brawl differently.

hey fgts guess what

metagames not out yet

the games fucking young as hell so give it time.

baaaw baaaaaw baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw

[Wintermute]

I'm sure a lot of it has to do with adaptation. They simply don't want to give the new game a chance because they got really good at the tricks that aren't in the new version.

[Jam Stunna]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but answer this for me: how do you have a fighting game without hit-stun?

[Bigfoot]

I'm sure a lot of it has to do with adaptation. They simply don't want to give the new game a chance because they got really good at the tricks that aren't in the new version.

Those "tricks" are what made Melee what it was.

[Jam Stunna]

Those "tricks" are what made Melee what it was.

The funny thing is, it isn't even about the tricks. There are TONS of tricks and glitches in Brawl:

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=164597

What made Melee so great was the intentional programming. L-canceling was not a glitch. Hit-stun was not a glitch. Those two elements formed the foundation for every combo in Melee.

Brawl is a simplified version of Melee. Why is it so hard for some people to accept that?

[Bigfoot]

Yeah, that's what I meant as for "tricks" were l-canceling, wavedash, etc.

But yeah, many thought they were glitches until Sakurai said it himself in that interview in Nintendo Power that they were not.

[Red Shadow]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but answer this for me: how do you have a fighting game without hit-stun?

well obviously we have one

[Jam Stunna]

I don't mind if you love Brawl. Why does everyone seem to mind that I don't?

[Eulogic]

cause most ppl dont care about the stuff u dont like so it really just comes off as whining

[Bigfoot]

cause most ppl dont care about the stuff u dont like so it really just comes off as whining

It's not like he's the only one that doesn't like these changes. Many people don't. But a lot of people will play it anyway because it's the new.

[Eulogic]

I know. I was just talking about your average non-tourney level player here.

Or tourney level Brawlers who never played Melee competitively, for that matter.

[cobaltstarfire]

I may like brawl more, I'm not sure, but I've never been more than an average player.

I can say it's more fun to play as Yoshi, I know I said I'd try out other characters, but right now that's hard since I don't own the game. That'll come when I own it.

What I really hate though is auto pick up, sometimes I don't even know I'm holding an item till it's too late. Maybe I need glasses but, this is playing on the dorms gigantic monster tv that could crush me if it fell over.

Although don't really care what others think of the game, just saying how I feel about it, cause I'm bored...and there's this message board here.

[defender!!]

Or tourney level Brawlers who never played Melee competitively, for that matter.

like me