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Arek the Absolute

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Defend? What a silly notion.

Unless I'm someone who has to set up their moves like Dedede or whatnot, I'm always on the attack, for better or worse.

In other news no one cares about: I'm losing my R.O.B skills, but I'm getting pretty awesome with G&W. Dedede, I'm not too bad with, but I have to adjust. Almost any other character I'm at least decent with, which is great.

And Olimar, oh boy. He isn't my best, or even my favorite character. But still, if it makes sense despite that, he's probably the most fun character in the game.

On a final note, I love to go on "With Anyone", play a match, then pick the character that gets 4th place. Then, I beat everyone with that character, and after a few rounds of doing this at least one person leaves. Oh joy.

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But that is the thing; I do not do that. My strategy is throw waddle dees and hope for the best. Also mechanical hammer. This has been working out okay for me.

But someone reeaaaally needs to explain to me how the dang his up+B works. PLEASE MOVE HORIZONTALLY DEDEDE AT ALL THAT WOULD BE NICE oh okay, you did. Well that's cool, let's do that again wait no THAT IS GOING STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN INTO THE ABYSS THIS IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF RECOVERY RAAAAAAAAAAAA

Mechanical hammer is kind of a terrible move IMO. At least, not nearly so useful as his other moves. But I may be missing its usefulness.

As for up-B, you have to kind of roll the control stick to either side once you've initiated the move in order to make him do any horizontal motion. Also, you know you have to cancel it (press down) in order to grab ledges, right?

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Yeah, that's how I play. I have no defensive game, I just get in there and thrash away. I figure sooner or later I'll hit something.

I used to play defensivly with lots of running... but then G-T yelled at me :(

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Mmmm... thingummy *drools*

I was going to just quote it, but... you know how much of a hassle it is to quote two different posts on these boards! I've gotta open the thread in another tab and everything - it's so much easier to just hit "Copy Image Location" and be done with it... :puppyeyes:

[Edit]

My post there had nothing to do about Brawl... erm.....

I once hit an opponent with Dedede's mechanical hammer. KO'd him it did (I think). True story.

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That is how you win at Brawl. Except replace running with shield-camping.

I disagree. There are still shield pokes, shield pressure, spacing attacks on shields, and grabbing people who shield. As fast as shields can go up and down in this game, playing solely defensively either by running away or by shield camping doesn't mean you will win.

Here in this video

You can see here the switch-off between shielding, sometimes it's useful and opens up options for punishment, and other times it doesn't. In fact, you can cover 3 instances of shield use in the first 10 seconds, yet Diddy is the one who gets worked while the first thing he attempts is shield camping and using options out of shield. Arguably, Diddy makes better use of his shield through the whole match than Luigi does, and occasionally punishes luigi with different things out of shield, yet luigi wins. It goes to show that brawl is too complex to simply let shield-camping and defensive play be enough to win.

Also, I like plugging in good Luigi's whenever I can.

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That Diddy Kong is actually making terrible use of his shield. Watch this match instead:

Notice how almost every "combo" (I use the term loosely) that Vidjo performs begins with a shield. Azen starts to do the same thing towards then end. The shield is the best way to start attacks in Brawl.

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I never won being a shield camp whore. I know, I've tried.

I can't do it either, it's totally contrary to my play style and what I even consider fun. But if you want to win, it's the way to go.

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Well, I'll agree that most of the Zelda players I've fought haven't impressed me, but I haven't seen any good vids even on the Zelda boards at smashboards yet.

She seems pretty limited to me, imho. She's obviously not in the gutter like the last game, but I don't think she's good, either. I haven't had any trouble getting around her smash attacks, and I hit her out of them very frequently (before her uncharged smashes come out) with characters like Link, ZSS, and Lucario.

As for shield camping... It's effective against most characters, but not against others. Notice that Azen was playing Ike? Ike has pretty much the slowest moveset in the game. Game & Watch can approach most characters incredibly safely (even shielding opponents) with his b-air because it has sick range, priority, multihit, AND it autocancels. He also has the most spammable jab A in the game, making it impossible to shield grab him, or do anything after he lands from a b-air (if you weren't hit out of your shield by it, as it rapes shields pretty badly). Shield camping is effective against characters with single hit attack approaches that have lag afterwards where they can be punished.

Shield camping ZSS is usually ineffective since her dash attack has an active attack hitbox until the end of the move, and her up-tilt comes out at frame 2, and her jab is active on frame 1, so she has 2 options if you dash attack with her properly to keep people from shield grabbing you. Her jab A is admittedly pretty poor, but if used properly (by changing the amount of time you delay between her jabs), it actually becomes a useful tool to hit people out of attempted shield grabs or move into a safer move by letting the jab progression cancel, or even moving out of range.

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Quick question - anybody here know how many stickers, trophies, and songs there are total? I have yet to collect them all (I did complete the 500 trophy challenge today, though).

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Quick question - anybody here know how many stickers, trophies, and songs there are total? I have yet to collect them all (I did complete the 500 trophy challenge today, though).

700 Stickers

544 Trophies

258 CDs.

Horray for SmashWiki

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Serious question here, this one is really irritating me. My understanding is that there is a way to filter out some stages from being picked when you choose "Random" from the stage selection screen. Also, I understand you have to unlock this ability. I believe the requirements are:

[X] All stages unlocked

[X] 200 KOs in VS mode

They are Xd because I have done both of them (I have like 2000+ KOs, so that isn't the issue, and I have 40 stages unlocked, which I believe is all of them?).

Now, how do I filter? I can't find anything that allows me to do that and I was never notified that I had the ability. Or do I still need to unlock this somehow? Missed a requirement? Frantic, persistent googling has been no help.

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you get a notification saying "congrats you have all 41 stages!"

you can check you KO count in Records.

it is accessed from the "more/extra rules" submenu.

Good luck.

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There are 41? Everything I've seen says 40. What is probably the 41st stage I'm missing?

EDIT I think I found it. I don't think I have the Mario Bros. stage. Thanks Aninymouse.

EDIT Again, yep that did it. Thanks again. I counted 40 stages I had unlocked and all the guides say there are 40 stages (stinking liars). Thought I had them all.

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That Diddy Kong is actually making terrible use of his shield. Watch this match instead:

Notice how almost every "combo" (I use the term loosely) that Vidjo performs begins with a shield. Azen starts to do the same thing towards then end. The shield is the best way to start attacks in Brawl.

Again, I disagree. I think the difference between the two videos isn't how well the one using a more shield based strategy(there is very little difference between a meta-knight fair out of shield and a diddy kong bair out of shield), but how the other character, which is the winner in both cases, actually, is able to reliably space attacks on the shield-camper. Notice how when Azen starts improving on the second half to win more, he doesn't actually use all that much more shield-camping, but instead better spacing/pressure on the shield. Mind you, I don't mean old-school shield pressure aka melee shield stun to prevent out of shield retaliation, exactly, because shield stun is so much smaller now, I mean "weakening the shield safely with spacing until a possible shield poke".

Shield camping is arguably a very easy thing to do, and it's far from worthless, but it can't win you games against pros. Azen, you know!

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