psychowolf Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I'd personally love to hear a "c" side seeing as someones already asked for the b side. ...brandon i love that picture, the hedgehog looks like he just wants a hug As i read backwards through this and i know of the hatred this album seems to have in the sonic community(unnessicary in my opinion), which i am sad to say i am a part of. Taste depends on your very own style, if you dislike this album move on and find something you do like. Saying that remixers don't understand music and listeners do is retarded, thats like saying just because i play super hang on i can build a motorbike from scratch or something. I don't understand shit about music but i know what i like and dislike love the album? enjoy Hate the album? move on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleJCrb Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 I'm quite amazed that there isn't more backlash from the Sonic fandom, considering these are the same people that bitch about the fucking color of Sonic's eyes in newer games. Personally? Loved it. Couldn't ask for a better tribute to the game that started it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liontamer Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 As i read backwards through this and i know of the hatred this album seems to have in the sonic community(unnessicary in my opinion), which i am sad to say i am a part of. You can't just throw it out there like that. I wanna see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eino Keskitalo Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 I'd love if Rexy and Brandon would clean up the production of Hogtied and resub it to the panel - I kind of agree with the criticism about the muddiness, and would love to listen to a version with a bit more clarity! Also, the album's pretty good --Eino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexy Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Larry, it seems that most of the community hate spawned from Sonic Retro, which I have to say was one of the most disturbing things I have seen as a musician. There are hinters lying around elsewhere too, just got to google them out. O.o As for resubbing "Hogtied", I may be annoyed that a SECOND passed arrangement of mine got retracted but I'm determined to push for a revision to go onto the site. However, with Brandon taking the news a lot worse than me, I don't know if the OCR version may or may not feature a completely different collab partner. But no matter what, I'm determined to succeed x) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuru Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Awesome album! Thanks so much for this. The song, "Caos", awesome, brought back some nice memories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDX Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I've already posted in this thread, but I just want to say that I really appreciated how short the album was. I can't appreciate a 50 track album, I stop caring around track 6, and then usually I don't even finish the album. That's why real bands don't dump 40 track albums on their fans (Aside from not having time...). Look at Plastic Beach, for example. A common complaint I saw amongst the critics was that it was too long and had little direction, which is definitely true, in my opinion at least. So good job on keeping it low, even if it was just because the original game only had so many tracks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Strader Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 The Flower Kings' album Paradox Hotel is my favorite, it is 2 discs and 136 minutes long. It's also epic prog rock so it works. I completely agree with you about short remix albums. They're easier to listen to and involve less work than an album with 70 tracks. Not to mention that they're more affordable to print a single disc. Larry, it seems that most of the community hate spawned from Sonic Retro, which I have to say was one of the most disturbing things I have seen as a musician. It also sucks because they are SONIC RETRO. It makes me wonder if we really did something wrong or if they're the same type of people who say there's never been a single, decent, playable sonic game since Sonic and Knuckles. Hating on new stuff just because it's new and different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnetic Ether Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 That's why real bands don't dump 40 track albums on their fans (Aside from not having time...). OCR should release an album of grindcore The Flower Kings' album Paradox Hotel is my favorite, it is 2 discs and 136 minutes long. It's also epic prog rock so it works. I'm going to have to check that out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexy Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 It also sucks because they are SONIC RETRO. It makes me wonder if we really did something wrong or if they're the same type of people who say there's never been a single, decent, playable sonic game since Sonic and Knuckles. Hating on new stuff just because it's new and different To be fair I thought it peaked at Sonic & Knuckles, but I actually enjoyed the GBA (Advance) and DS (Rush) titles so I can't argue here. But I swear to God that their response to Project Chaos was so much more optimistic than that, so surely you can see how their reactions purely baffled me. O_o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Strader Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 To be fair I thought it peaked at Sonic & Knuckles, but I actually enjoyed the GBA (Advance) and DS (Rush) titles so I can't argue here. But I swear to God that their response to Project Chaos was so much more optimistic than that, so surely you can see how their reactions purely baffled me. O_o Oya.. too much techno untz untz sonic album... mmhm i blame everyone else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillRock Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 Tbh, I think part of the reason for the backlash from sonic retro is because of the name of the site. We are called OverClocked ReMix after all, so most people who aren't clued up with what ocr are about would probably assume that OCR do faithful to the original "covers" rather than rearrangements. Now as far as ocr albums go, usually there are a few very faithful tracks that are like updated versions of the originals, but with this album, its more cohesively creative with the sources than alot of ocr albums in the past. PC had quite a few faithful covers, like snapplemans mixes and housethegrates. One of the comments at sonic retro even stated that he thought OCR did remixes, not rearrangements, which might be ignorant but I feel like thats the misconception most people have about ocr. The tracks on this album are alot more creative with the source material as a general perspective and I think it left quite a few people alienated. Seems more like a misunderstanding or a disagreement with the general direction from them, which is fine, OCR doesn't appeal to everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eino Keskitalo Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 As for resubbing "Hogtied", I may be annoyed that a SECOND passed arrangement of mine got retracted but I'm determined to push for a revision to go onto the site. However, with Brandon taking the news a lot worse than me, I don't know if the OCR version may or may not feature a completely different collab partner. But no matter what, I'm determined to succeed x) All right, that's great! Too bad if Brandon is demotivated, but on the other hand getting two versions with different people on it sounds pretty cool! --Eino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Strader Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 All right, that's great! Too bad if Brandon is demotivated, but on the other hand getting two versions with different people on it sounds pretty cool!--Eino I was demotivated for a few hours and got over it, and fixed it the day we found out it had been un-yes'd It saddened me deeply at what speed Rexy would replace me, without even caring I barely had an hour to process the new information before she was asking sixto to redo the song. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexy Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Brandon, I had no idea you would react the way you did. Sure, I had my moments with past rejections, but without mentioning what happened here, your reactions absolutely terrified me. But I'm glad enough that we got the resub sorted in the end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinShaltout Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 sadly i did not enjoy this album I didn't feel it sounded like speed at all the tracks are rather sleepy. I seem to be enjoying the nights into dreams tracks more so far. I was hoping this can be better than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexy Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 I don't really care if the fact that the word 'speed' is in the title doesn't cross-reference with the songs being upbeat, and it was never my intention to make it that way. I chose the name because I thought it was witty, and that's about it. Quoted for truth. People wrote the tracks not necessarily to reflect on the title or the pacing, but on how they personally felt on the tracks to be arranged. Personally I would've just taken it at face value until you stated that you felt the NiGHTS album was better. Don't get me wrong, Stevo did a fantastic job in getting everything together, but the last thing anyone would've wanted in a thread like this was "this project sucks, another project was better" - all it would seem to do was just completely derail the direction of the thread as well as add more unnecessary shame upon the mixers. There was a huge discussion about the genre directions further on in the thread, and true to some people it may not be the direction they wanted, but let's face the facts - with a total of eight tracks posted as individual mixes and a ninth one coming on its way, the strength of these mixposts heavily outweigh the unnecessary critics, therefore on a technical point I can say The Sound of Speed has achieved a lot. I want to be fair to say that this is, by FAR, the proudest album I've been involved with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dj Mokram Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 the last thing anyone would've wanted in a thread like this was "this project sucks, another project was better" Rexy, the guy didn't say LD was better than tSoS, he just said that he personally didn't liked one album but enjoyed another more. sadly i did not enjoy this album [...] I seem to be enjoying the nights into dreams tracks more so far.See? eight tracks posted [...] these mixposts heavily outweigh the unnecessary critics [...] this is, by FAR, the proudest album I've been involved withSo because an album got multiple mixposts and you're proud of being on it, people shouldn't be entitled to formulate their own opinion about it? (Not trying to antagonize here btw, just trying to understand your point of view) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexy Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 I'm not saying there's anything wrong with forming opinions. It's just that I'm reaching breaking point with all the amount of unjustified disliking just because of the album name alone, and to see people compare with other albums as well only just makes matters worse. We are fine to take criticism when criticism is due, definitely - just not on what can be strictly seen as artistic direction, which is giving me the impression that everyone involved on this thing didn't do their job. And yes, "I didn't enjoy the album, I enjoyed another album more" is definitely written as "album A is better than project B" in a person's point of view. Comments like that to me feel really unsettling, and can similarly be unsettling for when others compare projects beforehand. Remember a few posts before the history thread was closed when someone brought up "Threshold of a Dream" for that same reason - didn't like the artistic direction but thought this one would be more cohesive? How did you and the rest of the project staff feel to see that comparison being brought up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinShaltout Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 calling it speed just cuz it's witty is not a smart idea. The name needs to reflect the content otherwise you lose ur entire audience. you can't assume that people have to understand YOU. You have to do what u can for people to understand you rather than assume. This assumption caused the wrong people to download the album, hence causing people to be extremely disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleJCrb Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 To be fair, if we're basing this on content versus name, the title "Lucid Dreaming" doesn't fit for a good part of the music on the NiGHTS album either. It does fit the game though, much like how "The Sound of Speed" also fits the source material for this project. To be frank, however, who cares what the title is? The musical content is what matters here, and the music of this album, as I have said before, is nothing short of stellar. You're welcome to disagree of course, but to argue that the this album sucks because you don't think the title fits is really stretching for a reason to dislike it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillRock Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Guys guys GUYS, this is a SONIC THE HEDGEHOG REMIX ALBUM, how in the name of hell does the album title not fit? Not to mention the Green Hill Zone Remix has the title Sound of Speed... plenty of albums take that approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palpable Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 There's a lot of defense of the album title going on here, and maybe because this is OCR, it's hard to see what effect a title can have. Personally, I purposely overlook the title when evaluating songs, and I think the site is geared towards overlooking the title and the game and just trying to appreciate the music, man. When the title of this project was announced, I thought it was really clever and thought no more about it. But it is worth considering things like the expectations of a project with that title, and I wish we had done more brainstorming. It's not just a matter of disappointing people who were expecting faster songs, but also that we may have missed hooking the audience we wanted because they thought it was a bunch of fast songs. Basically I kind of agree with JustinShaltout. Particularly with albums, which more than songs are aimed at people outside the community, the title needs to fit the music in order for it to get the audience it deserves and maybe this time there was a better one that could have been used. Case in point, there's a band I really like called Disco Inferno, who make music as far away from disco as you can imagine. For a long time, though they had been recommended to me, I didn't check them out because disco wasn't what I was looking for. A title matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liontamer Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 There's a lot of defense of the album title going on here, and maybe because this is OCR, it's hard to see what effect a title can have. Personally, I purposely overlook the title when evaluating songs, and I think the site is geared towards overlooking the title and the game and just trying to appreciate the music, man. When the title of this project was announced, I thought it was really clever and thought no more about it. But it is worth considering things like the expectations of a project with that title, and I wish we had done more brainstorming. It's not just a matter of disappointing people who were expecting faster songs, but also that we may have missed hooking the audience we wanted because they thought it was a bunch of fast songs. Basically I kind of agree with JustinShaltout. Particularly with albums, which more than songs are aimed at people outside the community, the title needs to fit the music in order for it to get the audience it deserves and maybe this time there was a better one that could have been used.Case in point, there's a band I really like called Disco Inferno, who make music as far away from disco as you can imagine. For a long time, though they had been recommended to me, I didn't check them out because disco wasn't what I was looking for. A title matters. Completely disagree. You're basically saying the title has to appeal to the superficial and stupid. The album is "The Sound of a Hedgehog That Runs Very Fast in His First Game." If people were expecting superfast BPM and can't get over that, especially when the original music wasn't superfast BPM, I couldn't care less. The single dumbest criticism I saw of OA & Scaredsim's Green Hill Zone mix on YouTube was that it was too slow, when it was slightly faster than the tempo of the original. It's an album about a speedy hedgehog not a speedy soundtrack, it's a play on words, and we have more than enough people without a stick up their ass enjoying the album to care about a minority of people hung up on the album title. It's the same people complaining that Voices of the Lifestream implied an all-vocal album; it's just a short-sighted, stupid criticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozovian Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 It is, however, setting up ppl's expectations. The name is important, and what it implies should be considered when naming mixes and albums and whatnot. Which reminds me of this one. I've yet to really listen to this album, but first impressions weren't too exciting. Then again, it took me a while to warm up to the DKC2 album, which I now consider to be one of ocr's best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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