Bleck Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 sony has first party franchises??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Briggs Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 (edited) I always laugh when people say DK64 is bad but defend Banjo-Kazooie the thing that makes banjo-kazooie better than DK64 is that it's actually reasonable to try and get 100% without a guide the collectables all follow a logical path/order, and there is a larger sense of accomplishment gained when you manage to 100% a level just by playing it naturally... imho that is what makes a good collect-a-thon DK64, however, is essentially a test of the player's latent masochism Edited May 5, 2011 by Benjamin Briggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensei Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 sony has first party franchises??? That's my point. People whine about Nintendo not being inventive enough with first-party franchises, but what are they actually comparing it to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabeel Ansari Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 That's my point. People whine about Nintendo not being inventive enough with first-party franchises, but what are they actually comparing it to? You don't have to compare it to anything to say they're not being inventive enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensei Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 (edited) Then why are they not complaining about Sony/Microsoft not being inventive enough? The problem isn't Nintendo not being inventive enough, it's that the majority of the quality games on recent Nintendo consoles are first/second-party. I think that if the Wii had some well-established third party franchises people would be complaining a lot less about having to play another Zelda/Mario game. Edited May 5, 2011 by Tensei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabeel Ansari Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Then why are they not complaining about Sony/Microsoft not being inventive enough? Hmm, not sure. Nintendo to reveal new HD compatible console at E3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arek the Absolute Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Then why are they not complaining about Sony/Microsoft not being inventive enough? cause its cool to hate on nintendo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensei Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Hmm, not sure. Yes, keep on being a condescending dumpass please. Nintendo has launched the most first-party franchises out of any of the major console developers, even if you're only looking at the Wii/DS lifecycles. Nintendogs, Wii Sports/Play have all been very succesful, casual or not. If you're such a gogdamn genius, tell me why you never see people going like "HMMM I SURE WISH MICROSOFT WOULD LAUNCH A NEW FRANCHISE", even in the relevant threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malaki-LEGEND.sys Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 (edited) Who said anything about being inventive enough? You're right that Microsoft and Sony aren't exactly sterling in that problem either, but the existence of one problem doesn't validate the same problem in another context. This of course assuming I was making that argument in the first place, which I wasn't. What I'm talking about is corporate strategies and cultures. It's been Nintendo's strategy since the DS to consciously neuter their online functionality in the name of security, and all that's done is hamper 3rd parties from taking full advantage of online play on their system. Yes there are games now that try to do so, but at this point the audience just isn't there anymore. I applaud Nintendo for their consistent message of "playing with your buddies on the same couch is an experience online can't compare to", because I totally agree; playing Mario Kart Wii with your buddies laughing it up is something online can't replicate. Fact of the matter though is that the entire industry is moving in the online direction, and at least in the U.S. for older populations(IE not school kids), local play is getting harder and harder, so players move to the systems that do online well. And I agree that Nintendo has great first party franchises(that's basically what their systems have to subsist off nowadays), but due to the massive financial flop of a game like Metroid Other M, which DID reinvent the gameplay of the series(although it failed in its other mission statement), they may be less inclined to take any huge risks on current properties, which means we'll probably be seeing more 2D Donkey Kong, Kirby, and Mario, and more OoT Zelda for as long as they keep selling. That isn't a knock as much as it's just business. You can enjoy Nintendo as much as you want. Like what you like and like liking it, but to say there's nothing wrong with something when there most certainly is is ignorant. That'd be like me saying Square-Enix doesn't have a quality control problem with their latest releases. To be fair to that whole "they need to reinvent these games, blah blah blah"(now I'm talking about reinvention), there's only so many ways you can reinvent Mario before you take out the platforming, the goombas, and then what do you have? You have the equivalent of the new Devil May Cry: A terrible amalgamation of a character that was once great. ...Or Sonic. Edited May 5, 2011 by Malaki-LEGEND.sys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleck Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 And I agree that Nintendo has great first party franchises(that's basically what their systems have to subsist off nowadays), but due to the massive financial flop of a game like Metroid Other M, which DID reinvent the gameplay of the series(although it failed in its other mission statement), they may be less inclined to take any huge risks on current properties, which means we'll probably be seeing more 2D Donkey Kong, Kirby, and Mario, and more OoT Zelda for as long as they keep selling. or maybe they'll just stop outsourcing their first party franchises to third party developers also I may be in the minority here but I'd rather see one great zelda game every five years then one mediocre one every year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malaki-LEGEND.sys Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 or maybe they'll just stop outsourcing their first party franchises to third party developersalso I may be in the minority here but I'd rather see one great zelda game every five years then one mediocre one every year I agree... I think a lot of what helped OoT to be so awesome may have been the fact that we weren't in "Zelda fatigue" when it came out. I think that for your scenario to happen though, Nintendo is REALLY going to have to get some great 3rd party support, so they can give their first parties a break once in awhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkeSword Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Yes, keep on being a condescending dumpass please. I don't think he was being condescending by saying "not sure." Maybe he was just agreeing with you that it doesn't make sense for people to make the comparison? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Damned Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 also I may be in the minority here but I'd rather see one great zelda game every five years then one mediocre one every year Nope, you're not alone in that regard. I think it also applies to many big name series. I'd rather have one really good game of any kind every so often than multiple over a short period of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkeSword Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Giving this a bump, considering today is Nintendo's presser. Please stay on topic and talk about Nintendo's new console only in this thread, not Wii games, 3DS stuff, etc. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Damned Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 OH MY FUCKING GOD, THE NINTABLET! THE NINTABLET! Just... holy shit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Author Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 It's kinda insane really... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Damned Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Need a thread title update. The official name is Wii U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Yeah it's official, Nintendo needs to let someone else name their consoles. NES, SNES, Gamecube, those were good console names. This is just...you know, someone was on pot when they came up with this. "Nintendo Challenger: Excitement in every box." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Damned Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Fuck that name, did you not see those titles? Tekken, Darksiders 2 (FOR LAUNCH), Ninja Gaiden... just, ow, I can't remember them all now. Fuck, Nintendo won this year. Everyone that has been asking "where are the core games?", I say to you "THERE! There are your goddamn core games! On Nintendo!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Taucer Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Why is there a screen on the controller? Could there possibly be a more effective way of destroying immersion than requiring the player to look away from the screen as part of the process of controlling the game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Author Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Why is there a screen on the controller? Could there possibly be a more effective way of destroying immersion than requiring the player to look away from the screen as part of the process of controlling the game? Pressing pause? Also, Battlefield Wii U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Damned Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 People said the same thing about using the DS touch screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PriZm Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 how is it super exciting that nintendo will get some games on a new platform that will be available on x360 and ps3 anyways ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azul v2 Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Why is there a screen on the controller? Could there possibly be a more effective way of destroying immersion than requiring the player to look away from the screen as part of the process of controlling the game? Watch the video demonstration, and you'll see why. Since the graphics are there, there is no reason that 3rd parties can take full advantage of that ridiculous technology. Just think about what you can do in Madden with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azul v2 Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 It'll be interesting to see what the people who get hands-on demonstration say too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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