DarkeSword Posted July 23, 2016 Posted July 23, 2016 Sega's revealed their 25th anniversary Sonic the Hedgehog game, coming this Spring 2017: Sonic Mania, a brand new Genesis/Mega Drive style Sonic game from Christian Whitehead, the fellow who rebuilt Sonic 1, 2, and CD for mobile. This looks amazing and I can't wait until I can play it. Quote
Kenogu Labz Posted July 23, 2016 Posted July 23, 2016 Oh wow, that music. This might be the first Sonic game that actually has me intrigued. Also, the drop dash may just be brilliant, in that it solves the enormous problem of Sonic's velocity being lost when he falls like that (if I recall correctly). Maybe this'll actually be fast for once. Quote
Slimy Posted July 23, 2016 Posted July 23, 2016 Hi, I'm this threads Devil's advocate now. Remember how great it was when they "went back" with Sonic the Hedgehog 4? Ok I'm done here. The Nikanoru and Kenogu Labz 2 Quote
Mirby Posted July 23, 2016 Posted July 23, 2016 Well unlike Sonic 4 the team behind this has experience with classic games, especially Christian Whitehead who worked on the mobile ports of a few Sonic games. Quote
The Damned Posted July 23, 2016 Posted July 23, 2016 I want to be happy about this... but the last several years of Sonic hasn't been... great. /cautiously hopeful Quote
Garpocalypse Posted July 23, 2016 Posted July 23, 2016 Looks awesome! Some of the footage i've seen even looks like they are going to do completed versions of levels that were part of beta versions of the games. Doesn't this stage look similar to genocide city from the sonic 2 beta? Quote
Bleck Posted July 23, 2016 Posted July 23, 2016 even I think this looks good Gario, Slimy and Nabeel Ansari 3 Quote
SystemsReady Posted July 23, 2016 Posted July 23, 2016 On 7/23/2016 at 7:32 AM, Slimy said: Hi, I'm this threads Devil's advocate now. Remember how great it was when they "went back" with Sonic the Hedgehog 4? Ok I'm done here. Expand Sonic 4 sucked because they had DIMPS work on it. I should probably point out...Whitehead/Headcannon's "ports" were not ports. The games were straight-up rewritten from the ground up. There are two ways this can go wrong: level design and physics, and Sonic 4 got both utterly wrong. The physics part is covered by Whitehead & Headcannon's experience with the remakes - level design is the big issue I think, but level design also relies a lot on how the physics work, so even if the level designers suck, the game will likely play better than any of Sonic 4 did anyway. EDIT: To better explain why this is awesome: these two dudes are known as Stealth and Taxman over on Sonic Retro. They were extremely active players in the Sonic hacking community and made some really impressive proof-of-concepts (IIRC this includes an actual GBA port of Sonic 1 that was superior than the actual thing Sega put out). They got hired by Sega to handle the remakes of Sonic 1, 2, and CD. Apparently a project they were working on, Sonic Megamix, got unceremoniously cancelled in favor of something else they were working on - which has now turned out to be this! DarkeSword and Mirby 2 Quote
Mirby Posted July 24, 2016 Posted July 24, 2016 Thanks for the better clarification. I just knew that Taxman was involved in those mobile titles. Quote
Nabeel Ansari Posted July 24, 2016 Posted July 24, 2016 On 7/23/2016 at 2:30 PM, The Damned said: I want to be happy about this... but the last several years of Sonic hasn't been... great. /cautiously hopeful Expand Sonic Generations and Sonic Colors were awesome, dude. Black_Doom and Garpocalypse 2 Quote
Garpocalypse Posted July 24, 2016 Posted July 24, 2016 On 7/24/2016 at 1:34 PM, Neblix said: Sonic Generations and Sonic Colors were awesome, dude. Expand yes! finally someone i can agree with on these matters! of course '06 was bad but every game since then has been far more competent than people have been admitting to. Sonic Unleashed-Awesome ...despite some things. Sonic Colors-Awesome Sonic Generations-Awesome Sonic 4 Ep1- ...was a good effort! Sonic 4 EP2- Awesome Sonic Boom-Doesn't exist; never did. really. Quote
The Damned Posted July 24, 2016 Posted July 24, 2016 On 7/24/2016 at 1:34 PM, Neblix said: Sonic Generations and Sonic Colors were awesome, dude. Expand Hence, "cautiously hopeful". It hasn't been all bad, but it hasn't been all good either. Quote
Nabeel Ansari Posted July 25, 2016 Posted July 25, 2016 On 7/24/2016 at 3:28 PM, Garpocalypse said: yes! finally someone i can agree with on these matters! of course '06 was bad but every game since then has been far more competent than people have been admitting to. Sonic Unleashed-Awesome ...despite some things. Sonic Colors-Awesome Sonic Generations-Awesome Sonic 4 Ep1- ...was a good effort! Sonic 4 EP2- Awesome Sonic Boom-Doesn't exist; never did. really. Expand Eh.... I'm not quite over there, you're still a little alone. Sonic 4 was really not good, and Unleashed was like half good, but fell short through the tedium of its requirements that you collect a shit ton of medals to progress. Quote
DarkeSword Posted July 25, 2016 Author Posted July 25, 2016 Sonic 4 was not a good effort. Sonic 4 was a travesty. Quote
Bleck Posted July 25, 2016 Posted July 25, 2016 On 7/25/2016 at 5:18 AM, DarkeSword said: Sonic 4 was not a good effort. Sonic 4 was a travesty. Expand Quote
Black_Doom Posted July 25, 2016 Posted July 25, 2016 Looks much better than Sonic Boom. Anyway, I'm really excited about it Quote
Garpocalypse Posted July 25, 2016 Posted July 25, 2016 On 7/25/2016 at 5:18 AM, DarkeSword said: Sonic 4 was not a good effort. Sonic 4 was a travesty. Expand Ironical statements don't seem to come across well on forum speak. The game dropped the ball in so many ways that i'm sure many a sonic fan was in denial over how bad it was. From the boring level design right down to Jun Senoue's work which seemed like half assed attempts at direct covers of Nakamura's classics. On the other hand Episode 2 was a significantly better game but not good enough to reverse the let down that was sonic 4 ep. 1 Quote
lazygecko Posted July 26, 2016 Posted July 26, 2016 Sonic 4 was a mobile game masquerading as a sequel. Black_Doom 1 Quote
DarkeSword Posted July 26, 2016 Author Posted July 26, 2016 On 7/26/2016 at 9:23 AM, lazygecko said: Sonic 4 was a mobile game masquerading as a sequel. Expand That's generous. Quote
lazygecko Posted July 26, 2016 Posted July 26, 2016 On 7/26/2016 at 2:33 PM, DarkeSword said: That's generous. Expand It's how the project started out. Then some bigwigs at the company thought "hey, let's slap a different name on this and market it as a mainline sequel!" Not really an uncommon industry tactic either. EA did the same thing with Command & Conquer 4 (initially a spinoff F2P online game), and probably Dragon Age 2 as well from what I've heard. It's an excellent way of eroding consumer trust in your brands. Quote
DarkeSword Posted July 26, 2016 Author Posted July 26, 2016 Oh I didn't know that; I thought you were joking. I said "that's generous" because I actually like mobile games. What a travesty though. I'm glad Taxman and Stealth showed SEGA that people do still give a crap about quality, and I'm glad that certain folks at SEGA seem to be receptive to this kind of thing. When Taxman remade Sonic 1 for mobile, SEGA could have charged for it going for the double-dip, but instead they released it as a free update to their previously crappy port. Now if only we could get Sonic 3 & Knuckles remade in the new engine. Quote
PosiBolt Posted July 27, 2016 Posted July 27, 2016 I'm really digging the stage music they've released so far: Music is being done by Tee Lopes, who has done a ton of Sonic remixes among other things: https://www.youtube.com/user/teezord/videos Quote
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