Super Smash Bros Brawl

[Garde]

Zombieforce, I just want to make sure you're using the right term. Sidestep dodges are where you step to the side (into the background or foreground) and do not move in terms of X or Y coordinates of the stages (which essentially are 2d planes for character movement). Rolls reposition your character to a new set of coordinates (based on terrain).

From your post, I am almost positive you're talking about rolling because you were talking about getting behind your opponent. Rolling is a very situational tactic and I find that the better I get at this game, the less I roll. Rolls often have less invulnerability than sidestep dodges and are much easier to punish. The are useful, but in very specific situations.

Ultimately, the only thing sidestep dodging is useful for is avoiding being grabbed, which perfect shielding cannot defend you from.

Sidesteps dodging (also known as Spot Dodging) have a certain number of frames of vulnerability at the beginning and end of the dodge (usually between 0-10 frames on each end, it's specific to each character). Perfect Shielding (formerly known as Power Shielding) is where you shield the moment an attack strikes you (it's similar to Just Defends or Parries from SNK, 3S, or CvS2). If done properly, there are around 2 frames of animation before you can react. Sidestep dodges are usually around 30 frames in total, and often have about 10-15 frames of animation left before you can act after they throw out moves. On top of that, Perfect Shields block multiple hits and cannot be broken or poked out of. Shielding is safer than dodging because invulnerability only lasts a certain amount of time and certain characters (like G&W) have moves with long durations that dodges do not work against (because the invul on the dodge is shorter than the active hitbox on the attack).

[Zombie]

:tomatoface:I assumed you were speaking of rolling.

I rarely find myself sidestepping anymore. I do find an occasional use for it, though.

[Animae]

Yay! Europe finally got a release date! June 27th. It was confirmed by a Norwegian Nintendo employee. Just check the Norwegian Nintendo site:

Here

[Katsurugi]

Yay! Europe finally got a release date! June 27th. It was confirmed by a Norwegian Nintendo employee. Just check the Norwegian Nintendo site:

Here

Europe always gets things so late.

[Jaybell]

Is it just me or are the Ice Climbers so much better? I can't say for certain why but I am digging them a whole lot more than I was in Melee.

[Eulogic]

I can't play them sans wavedashing. They just aren't fun.

[Chickenwarlord]

Is it just me or are the Ice Climbers so much better? I can't say for certain why but I am digging them a whole lot more than I was in Melee.

What's better about them? They got their range and knockback nerfed, your side b isn't as viable as a save anymore, more things can go through a double ice barrier and their aerials seem to have less priority. They only noticeable improvement is the Belay/Nanapult.

[Jam Stunna]

Sorry I had to drop like that, Slient Mike, but my son fell off the bed right in the middle of the match. Saved me the trouble of getting beat!

EDIT- Yeah, everyone makes such a big deal about their chaingrab infinites, but the ICs are MUCH worse than their Melee version.

[Ferret]

I can't play them sans wavedashing. They just aren't fun.

Whine more, why don't you

[Eulogic]

I wasn't whining. Someone asked what people thought about the Ice Climbers, so I answered.

Idiot.

[defender!!]

so, we had the tournament

i won with dedede

$245, y'all ;D

[Bleck]

hey guys let's have a big tournament for money with a game that has been out less than two months

[Equinox]

i don't see why not

[Jam Stunna]

Congratulations, defender!! I went to a small tournament today and got fourth. God I hate Metaknight SO much.

[Red Shadow]

Yeah, everyone makes such a big deal about their chaingrab infinites, but the ICs are MUCH worse than their Melee version.

Well, yeah, when you play them like the melee Ice Climbers.

[Jam Stunna]

Well, yeah, when you play them like the melee Ice Climbers.

When you play them at all. Name one advantage other than the chainthrow that the ICs have in a matchup.

[Red Shadow]

being a dick. nana is a good shield

[Triad Orion]

being a dick. nana is a good shield

Quoted for truth, even though I hate the little blighters.

[Final_metroid]

srry for being a little offtopic, but does anyone have that picture of the two people playing brawl, with one guy making crazy calculations in his head with Marth and the other trying to spam falcon punch?

[Bigfoot]

srry for being a little offtopic, but does anyone have that picture of the two people playing brawl, with one guy making crazy calculations in his head with Marth and the other trying to spam falcon punch?

[Steben]

Heh, I think that's the third time that picture has been posted in the past month, now.

[cobaltstarfire]

It's been posted and quoted more than that between two different threads, and if you all keep just c/ping it instead of saving it for yourself I'm going to delete it outof my photobucket, so if you want it save it do so now cause it might be gone forever soon, atleast from my photobucket.

[Red Shadow]

im probably going to adblock it if i see it again

[Final_metroid]

I missed it, since its evident no one wants to repost it, can someone at least point me in the right direction to find it so I can save it?

[cobaltstarfire]

Hm. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and say that you can't see the image. Bigfoot reposted it for you like four posts ago.

I deleted it, the only reason anyone else can still see it is because it's still in their internet cache. I mostly deleted it as a matter of principle, sorry guys, but it's not hard to upload things onto your own space.