Lotd2242 Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 I won't spoil it, but there's a whole "canonical reboot" idea they set up for the film. It probably isn't going to 100% perfect, though. Nothing to spoil. It's an alternate timeline. That really pisses me off too. The argument they make (aside from piggybacking on the name recognition) for going back to Kirk & Co. is that they are the best Trek and they want to recapture that magic. If you have changed those characters so much that you need an alternate timeline just to get away with it, then you're not recapturing anything. The magic was not just a bunch of names and places, but a unique blend of actors, directors, and writers that happened to come together and make something special. If you really want to create a whole new character group using the Kirk/McCoy/Spock template, go right ahead. Just give them their own names and histories. If you want to update Star Trek to look like it could be from our future, then just skip ahead another 100 years from TNG/DS9/VOY and have a ball. Going forward keeps you from having to deal with all of the cannonical issues in the twisted ass backwards history of the Star Trek universe too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Stunna Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Alternate timeline? Man, this movie just keeps getting worse and worse. I completely agree with you Lotd2242 about the stupidity of "re-capturing the magic" through a retconn. The thing about Star Trek is that these continuity problems don't arise naturally, but they always make some dumbass decision that leaves fans scratching their heads (like the Data/B4 nonsense in Nemesis). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Author Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 The Star Trek cannon is bloated, and was built upon limited special effect technology. A reboot is not a bad idea. (Plus I can't wait to hear the Kirk vs Kirk debates...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotd2242 Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Until this movie came out, I never heard of anyone complaining about Star Trek's cannon. Hell, the hardcore fans I'm sure enjoyed picking it apart. Plus, if you go forward in time, who cares? Then you have a whole new historical period to craft as you wish like TNG did without having to stomp all over what came before. Also New Kirk is going to be like New Coke, a pathetic attempt at adjusting the formula to increase marketshare that results in an inferior product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Native Jovian Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Good to see that you've made up your mind before the movie's even come out. Now you won't have to waste your time going to see it before ripping it apart! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkeSword Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 The word you're all looking for is "canon," not "cannon." A "cannon" is a mounted gun for firing heavy projectiles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotd2242 Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Good to see that you've made up your mind before the movie's even come out. Now you won't have to waste your time going to see it before ripping it apart! I am sure it will be a fine, entertaining movie. It just won't be Star Trek as anyone knows it. Also, thanks to the various screenings that have occurred, the plot is fully available for anyone who wants to know, along with several full clips, so picking it apart is not entirely a blind affair. EDIT: The word you're all looking for is "canon," not "cannon."A "cannon" is a mounted gun for firing heavy projectiles. You're right. My mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Sounds Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 The word you're all looking for is "canon," not "cannon."A "cannon" is a mounted gun for firing heavy projectiles. I know, right? I'm actually looking forward to the movie, as well as the various discussions it will provoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky Posted April 15, 2009 Author Share Posted April 15, 2009 The Star Trek cannon is bloated, and was built upon limited special effect technology. A reboot is not a bad idea.(Plus I can't wait to hear the Kirk vs Kirk debates...) Yeah because 40 years of time lord continuity can't be remembered and worked on and referenced without having to reboot the entire series oh wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Stunna Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Yeah, Star Trek canon is out of whack because the writers/producers just choose to whatever the hell they want as opposed to actually having their stories make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Native Jovian Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Yeah, Star Trek canon is out of whack because the writers/producers just choose to whatever the hell they want as opposed to actually having their stories make sense. Choosing awesome over logic is always the correct choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotd2242 Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Why do you have to choose between the two? Spock was awesome AND logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Red Shadow Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 i looked at the title of this thread and had a deliciously cynical picture come to mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadeAuto Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 That was awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarZander Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 That was awesome. Truly awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhiJayy Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Truly awesome! HAHAHA, I just watched that. Totally awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadofsky Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 I'm very excited for this movie, can't wait to see it. And that's saying alot, since I never really was into Star Trek. Maybe it's because Simon Pegg, and J.J. Abrams are involved with this movie... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhiJayy Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Today is May 8th (open in theaters) and Star Trek is suppose to be one of the best movies of '09. Is anyone going to see this? If you did, is it good? I think I'll go to the movies this weekend. So far critics are going crazy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-n-j-i-n Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Can't... wait.... I hope to be in the matinee to beat all those annoying kids. I hope there's plenty of nerds so that they can shut up and watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfoot Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Saw it tonight at an imax theater. First time doing that. I don't know anything about Star Trek, and I thought it was an amazing movie. We missed the first few minutes, and we had to stand for the whole thing haha(2 hours). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-n-j-i-n Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Saw it tonight at an imax theater. First time doing that. I don't know anything about Star Trek, and I thought it was an amazing movie. We missed the first few minutes, and we had to stand for the whole thing haha(2 hours). Which is why the overtly grouchy review by Ebert is just off the mark. It's probably going to make millions of Star Trek fans within the week. That's probably the entire reason why they made it. Unlike Ebert saying how good the old, nostalgic ways of filmmaking is, yadda yadda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Orichalcon Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Saw it last night. SPOILERS! I'm not a trekkie, having only seen Nemesis before. This movie was really terrific. It acts as a good introductory movie to the characters as well. The actors played their parts brilliantly, with the man who played young Spock being a standout for his performance. The cameos by Winona Ryder, Eric Bana, Leonard Nimoy and Jeniffer Morison were a good choice, allowing them to play the background characters and the new cast to step up to be the mains. The actual stylistic choices of the movie were great, J. J. Abrams really knows what he's doing. There were great stylistic shots of the Romulan ship and Enterprise sillhouetted against the sun. The battle animations were great. The sound effects were quite awe-inspiring (The burst as the ships fired into warp speed could be felt right down my spine.) There were some bad parts, mostly to do with the science behind the movie. It was really hard swallowing the blackhole mumbo jumbo, and watching the enterprise escape from a black hole's suction by means of explosives was really cheesy. I'll watch it again though, I'd give it an 8.5/10 if I was really going to review it properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum4n After All Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Never liked Star Trek. Don't know a damn thing about it. But it was a damn good movie. Won't convert me to a Trekker but it was a really good movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophetik music Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 saw it, loved it. some good stuff. scotty is fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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