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Dunno if it's been answered already, but I'll ask it anyway:

I've noticed there's mixes from quite a time ago that're still in the "To Be Posted" list, including a YES'd from 2008. I understand they're never 'closed' decisions until they appear on the frontpage, but why is it that some rearrangements seem to wait more than the others to make it?

See above. Either issues like that or it's from an unreleased project.

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I have a question regarding the proper procedure to submit an arrangement of an "unknown" or "less popular" source.

If someone were to remix a source tune from an extremely ancient or obscure videogame, with no original soundtrack or MIDI files available on Youtube or any other site, what would be the advisable course of action?

I suppose the remixer would be obligated to provide the source tune together with the arrangement. Would it be OK if they recorded the source tune directly from the game (in mp3 format), hosted a ZIP file with both the arrangement and the source mp3, and provided the link in the submission e-mail?

The submission instructions don't address this issue, and I think you should add a paragraph explaining the proper way to do it. I realize that most arrangements have their original counterparts available on the internet, but this problem is bound to arise sometime (hint hint).

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I have a question regarding the proper procedure to submit an arrangement of an "unknown" or "less popular" source.

If someone were to remix a source tune from an extremely ancient or obscure videogame, with no original soundtrack or MIDI files available on Youtube or any other site, what would be the advisable course of action?

I suppose the remixer would be obligated to provide the source tune together with the arrangement. Would it be OK if they recorded the source tune directly from the game (in mp3 format), hosted a ZIP file with both the arrangement and the source mp3, and provided the link in the submission e-mail?

The submission instructions don't address this issue, and I think you should add a paragraph explaining the proper way to do it. I realize that most arrangements have their original counterparts available on the internet, but this problem is bound to arise sometime (hint hint).

That'd be one way to handle it, but with all the chiptunes available, it's not too common. :-)

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I have a question regarding the proper procedure to submit an arrangement of an "unknown" or "less popular" source.

If someone were to remix a source tune from an extremely ancient or obscure videogame, with no original soundtrack or MIDI files available on Youtube or any other site, what would be the advisable course of action?

I suppose the remixer would be obligated to provide the source tune together with the arrangement. Would it be OK if they recorded the source tune directly from the game (in mp3 format), hosted a ZIP file with both the arrangement and the source mp3, and provided the link in the submission e-mail?

The submission instructions don't address this issue, and I think you should add a paragraph explaining the proper way to do it. I realize that most arrangements have their original counterparts available on the internet, but this problem is bound to arise sometime (hint hint).

Do you have an example? I personally know plenty but I'm quite the obscure gamer! ;) To verify it's actually from the game I would suggest a video first a foremost, seeing that the audio is indeed from the game, and maybe audio to accompany that just for clarity. I know this is much to ask but it'd at least make me more comfortable. :)

Good point you brought up, we will no doubt discuss this further!

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Yeah, it's happened before, a game rip not existing. The few cases of it that have happened, the submitter ripped the track themselves and just hosted or attached it without having to be prompted. If they didn't already do that, we just email them as ask.

As zircon just mentioned to me in #judges, "If we don't have access to the source, we can't judge it, so, it then becomes remixer's responsibility to provide the source". djp also added, "The policy is also case-by-case for rejecting games due to extreme obscurity/"indie"-ness." So if the game is just someone's Newgrounds game with original music, but the game isn't mega-popular, then we'd pass on it.

I supposed we can add a sentence to the guidelines on that, but I honestly can't say I've seen the need in 6 years of being a panel member. The worst case scenario is just that the submitter can't find the original audio and we have to do the legwork. We've yet to have something submitted from something that absolutely can't be tracked down.

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Say LT, I know you're extremely busy and whatnot. Have you ever considered picking an assistant to help keep the Judges Decisions forum updated? It might make things easier.

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Say LT, I know you're extremely busy and whatnot. Have you ever considered picking an assistant to help keep the Judges Decisions forum updated? It might make things easier.

We all have access to do it, and we try to keep it updated weekly. It only takes 5-10 minutes so usually it's a case of forgetting or assuming that someone else will do it, rather than busyness. :wink: We tried to work out a system of who updates it when, but inevitably somebody will miss a week and then we're back to the same system.

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We all have access to do it, and we try to keep it updated weekly. It only takes 5-10 minutes so usually it's a case of forgetting or assuming that someone else will do it, rather than busyness. :wink: We tried to work out a system of who updates it when, but inevitably somebody will miss a week and then we're back to the same system.

For the most part, minus these past few weeks because of Otakon and other things, I or OA try to update every Wednesday. Now that Otakon is (sadly) over, it should get more consistent again.

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Hello there, I was wondering what OCR's stance is on accepting remixes of "cracktros", that is, the hacker intros you used to get on old floppy disk based games (usually with cheat options and a shoutout to all the BBS crews). I know they're not strictly game music, but the only place you hear them is if you load the game up, so I was just wondering if I were to sub a remix of a cracktro tune, would it have any chance of passing?

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Hello there, I was wondering what OCR's stance is on accepting remixes of "cracktros", that is, the hacker intros you used to get on old floppy disk based games (usually with cheat options and a shoutout to all the BBS crews). I know they're not strictly game music, but the only place you hear them is if you load the game up, so I was just wondering if I were to sub a remix of a cracktro tune, would it have any chance of passing?

Sorry, wouldn't be accepted. It needs to be music in the game.

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Well the bleeps were obviously programmed specifically for the game, cause they are bleeps and such, but uhh...

I wrote a paper on that for a film music essay. It's definitely movie music primarily and wouldn't be allowed.

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Alright, I get you there. Stinks cause I really like that song, for some reason I had that game on NES as a kid so I heard that song a LOT.

One more question since I've got you fellas here.. haha. What's up with projects? I remember djp saying some would come out after Otacon. I'm kinda excited for when Teen Agent can be released. :-o Also I have this new idea to make EPs instead of albums, like a collection of 5 or 6 songs to release as an EP. Would that have the possibility of coming out faster than a regular album due to its smaller size?

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Joshua Morse did that already. We haven't set a lower limit on track numbers or anything but if you have a fairly size-able EP of OCR quality stuff we can definitely talk :3.

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Question - Are ReMixers only allowed to resubmit a rejected track if the judges' decision was NO (Resubmit), or is it possible to resubmit it in any case? If so, what is the difference between NO and NO (Resubmit)?

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