The Pezman Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 http://www.tumeroks.com/starcraft-course-opened-for-college-earn-credits/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Weird classes have been around for a long time. I have no clue where a credit like this would be useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pezman Posted January 28, 2009 Author Share Posted January 28, 2009 Well, it's at friggin UC Berkley, so I imagine more places than you might initially think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thylacine Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I could see that having business (cooperation of units), computer programming (RTS, specifically), anthropology and other human studies (net culture) applied to it. I would think that, if the wrong teacher taught it, it could ruin the game for some people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coop Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Weird classes have been around for a long time. I have no clue where a credit like this would be useful. Useful? Likely not. But who could resist having a degree that says "The trustees of UC - Berkeley, by virtue of the authority invested in it hereby confer upon **insert name** the degree of Associate of Zerg Rush with all the rights and privileges pertaining thereto", with all its underlined areas being done with "^_____________________^"... and getting to join the Honor Society of ΚΣΚΣΚΣ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skrypnyk Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I would love it if in the class, you never ever ever got to play the game. Just a big 'fuck you' to people who thought it would be an easy/fun/cheap class to get a credit in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhsu Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 The StarCraft Campaign Editor actually has a fairly deep scripting language. I was terrible at terrain but man did I have fun with the "programming." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulinEther Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I am suddenly very jealous of my Berkeley friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zircon Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 The StarCraft Campaign Editor actually has a fairly deep scripting language. I was terrible at terrain but man did I have fun with the "programming." "Deep" is pushing it... it's not even as complicated as basic Javascript. It's all plain English, no real coding needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhsu Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 That's why I said programming as opposed to coding, and deep as opposed to complicated. The goal of programming languages and IDEs in my mind should be to free the programmer from syntax and formatting, to allow him to just build...and in this regard plain English would actually be the *ideal* programming language (or at least a modified version where the grammar and vocabulary are non-ambiguous). And that's where the Campaign Editor succeeds IMO. It's high-level enough so anyone can get into it, but still powerful enough to do what you want it to. It has many of the features you'd expect in a "real" programming language like conditional loops, functions with parameters, and even objects with attributes. Hopefully modern IDEs will eventually get to the point (if they haven't already) where they can auto-complete keywords and code blocks to such an extent that it'll be just like making StarCraft triggers...point and click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friendlyHunter Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 And that's where the Campaign Editor succeeds IMO. It's high-level enough so anyone can get into it, but still powerful enough to do what you want it to. It has many of the features you'd expect in a "real" programming language like conditional loops, functions with parameters, and even objects with attributes. Not to start an argument, but... Do we have the same Campaign Editor?? It's reasonable to call Warcraft 3's scripting interface "deep", but SC's was, er, a hassle to use, and not powerful at all. but still powerful enough to do what you want it to. Haha, perhaps we just differed in what we wanted it to do =p You'd think someone with programming experience would have an easier time fliddling with the Campaign Editor's limited language, BUT NO!! Hopefully modern IDEs will eventually get to the point (if they haven't already) where they can auto-complete keywords and code blocks to such an extent that it'll be just like making StarCraft triggers...point and click. Hmm, I can say some IDEs are getting close to this (which is a good thing IMO), but frankly the phrase "it'll be just like making StarCraft triggers" makes me laugh... I have no idea how many hours I've spent reordering actions to get things to work properly, and wrestling with those darned scrollbars!! I eagerly await whatever editor StarCraft II has to offer. In closing: I'm afraid SC map editor scripting has no real application other than making SC maps =] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhsu Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Not to start an argument, but... Do we have the same Campaign Editor?? It's reasonable to call Warcraft 3's scripting interface "deep", but SC's was, er, a hassle to use, and not powerful at all.Haha, perhaps we just differed in what we wanted it to do =p You'd think someone with programming experience would have an easier time fliddling with the Campaign Editor's limited language, BUT NO!! I honestly haven't seen anything that couldn't be done (within reason of course). You should see some of the stuff the UMS community has come up with, it's pretty impressive. Hmm, I can say some IDEs are getting close to this (which is a good thing IMO), but frankly the phrase "it'll be just like making StarCraft triggers" makes me laugh... I have no idea how many hours I've spent reordering actions to get things to work properly, and wrestling with those darned scrollbars!! I eagerly await whatever editor StarCraft II has to offer. You might have run into a shortcoming of the language (or perhaps your own programming), but the interface was always really intuitive to me. And besides, you're going to spend hours debugging no matter what language you use. In closing: I'm afraid SC map editor scripting has no real application other than making SC maps =] Well what else would it do, vector calculus? Actually if they added mathematical operators that might actually be possible... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skummel Maske Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 The goal of programming languages and IDEs in my mind should be to free the programmer from syntax and formatting, to allow him to just build...and in this regard plain English would actually be the *ideal* programming language (or at least a modified version where the grammar and vocabulary are non-ambiguous). Not to derail the thread, but we had an interesting discussion about this subject during a lecture today. While some thought it would make things alot easier, it would also introduce a lot of new problems, and lack the structure required to debug properly. It would go from strict&structured to.. guesswork? Back to topic. I wonder what an employer would say to an application showing a degree in Starcraft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moseph Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Back to topic. I wonder what an employer would say to an application showing a degree in Starcraft. They'd say, "Sweet! If we get zerged, this guy'll know what to do!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleck Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I have no clue where a credit like this would be useful. you can apply this to pretty much any credit that isn't a hard science or business credit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Confirmed: I'm moving to Berkeley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arek the Absolute Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I don't know whether to find this interesting or embarresing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Author Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Registration for this class is gonna be zerged... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmony Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Calculus and Differential Equations are highly recommended for full understanding of the course Are they trying to make the class sound harder than it possibly could be? All signs point to yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombie Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I would take this class every semester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maco70 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 There was a civ3 course in my high school. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkeSword Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Actually I think a lot of people are going to sign up for this class expecting one thing and end up struggling or failing because it turns out to be something very different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinewav Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I wonder why my old christian college didn't have a Bible Adventures class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiri Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Classes like this are called DeCals, and are student run classes with a faculty sponsor. I'm enrolled in a more serious one this semester about invasive species management, but they range from learning another language to teaching inmates at San Quentin prison. If you'd like to see what classes are being offered this semester just check out the list: http://decal.org/courses/index.php There's always some strange ones like this every semester, but its one of the things that makes Berkeley a fun school to go to. =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relyanCe Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I wonder why my old christian college didn't have a Bible Adventures class. How 'bout a "warfare in the Bible" class? I'm sick of OT messages... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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