Arek the Absolute Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 Captain Falcon has a far better chance of being in the game than Ness ever had. Captain Falcon does not have a playable character representing his series yet, while Earthbound has Lucas. With Lucas being playable, you had to figure that Ness was probably going to get shafted...that or becoming an assist trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunther Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 There are too many references to Ness....he will be in, I feel it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brithor Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 Well seeing as Lucas totally jacked Ness' moveset, and seeing that there's supposed to be no more clones, one would think Ness is gone. Unless that is, they gave him a totally new moveset (which I wouldn't mind, as Ness rocks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfoot Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 There are too many references to Ness....he will be in, I feel it. No he won't. Paula will though, as an assist trophy. She'll pray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scufo Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 Bye Ness. It's really too bad that we're losing one of the classic characters. But, it does show the devs' willingness to get rid of some characters, which I think is good. No one will complain if Young Link or Pichu don't make it in, for instance. Might as well reduce the clutter on the character select screen. Still though, it kinda sucks that they're (probably) keeping Mr. Game & Watch, but not Ness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechaFone Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 I doubt a pregame screen would have all their characters out to play. So if 50 seems a bit excessive, I'd bet they have at least ten more slots not shown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baleshadow Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 Putting all this effort and focus on Lucas makes me more hopeful for a Mother 3 release on VC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfoot Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 Putting all this effort and focus on Lucas makes me more hopeful for a Mother 3 release on VC. Mother 3 is GBA, so it won't be on the VC, unless you meant Mother 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cecilff2 Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 For this travesty, they must make a Ness AT that does Psi Rocking on everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baleshadow Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 Mother 3 is GBA, so it won't be on the VC, unless you meant Mother 2. I'm sure Nintendo could figure something out, like putting it on the WiiWare channel, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steben Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 Bye Ness. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I refuse to believe it. I will play Smash Bros. Brawl 24/7 upon its release until Ness is unlocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexie Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 I think Ness'll still be around, as a really hard to unlock character, maybe? He'll use his own versions of Fire and Thunder, share Magnet, and have Flash instead of Freeze. He'll also use his own standards attacks like he had in Melee, keeping the bat and yoyo while Lucas gets the rope snake. Or maybe, they plan on retooling his moveset completely, giving him moves that he actually used in Earthbound, instead of taking them from Paula? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrack Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 I hope all characters in Brawl will have a unique playstyle, not like in Melee where we had useless copycats such as Pichu, Dr. Mario and Young Link. But it does seem that way luckily, seeing that Lucas is not just a simple Ness-copy but plays differently (so perhaps there will be a Ness after all ). And if they bring back Ganondorf (which I hope), it would be nice if he wasn't just a Captain Falcon clone like in Melee but a character with his own cool design. At least give him a range attack (I mean, he IS a wizard after all). In Melee, he was more like a Street Fighter . 'Fear my mighty foot of darkness!'' (.......) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobaltstarfire Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 I wouldn't say young link plays that similarly to big link at all to be honest...Although he probably isn't going to be included anyway since he still counts as a "clone" move set wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirChadlyOC Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 My theory is that we will still have clones, but they will be in some sort of different section. My original thinking is that the clones would be like alternate costumes for players. For example, a Link "costume" would be Young Link. Also, selecting Zero Suit Samus will be done the same way, by selecting an alternate form of Samus. Some players won't have any clones, I'm sure, but I think they will still be selectable. What makes me think this mostly revolves around Luigi. There is NO WAY that Luigi could be removed from this game, but his style of play is so similar to Mario (but not quite the same), that he would constitute a clone. I think seeing Lucas' moves are just like Luigi's, in that they are just a bit different from Ness to feel like a different character. Therefore, I bet Ness is still in, and either he or Lucas is the clone. Also, I'm predicting that Daisy will be playable in Brawl as a clone of Peach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfoot Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 For this travesty, they must make a Ness AT that does Psi Rocking on everyone. That gives me an idea. How about an Earthbound AT? The whole team each unloads an attack on the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kureejii Lea Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 What's with all this clone talk? Wasn't it said ages ago that any of the former clone characters would be completely retooled, if not cut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airwalker Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 That gives me an idea. How about an Earthbound AT? The whole team each unloads an attack on the players. That fake screenshot... just made me creme my pants. Please make this real! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eulogic Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 What makes me think this mostly revolves around Luigi. There is NO WAY that Luigi could be removed from this game, but his style of play is so similar to Mario (but not quite the same), that he would constitute a clone. Did you play Melee? Luigi's moveset could only be compared to Mario's in appearance, and his style of play is completely different. Heh, I like how everyone's lamenting the loss of Ness while you are still only assuming. First of all, the "no clones" thing (about which I never actually saw evidence of Sakurai himself saying) would be years old, thus subject to have changed, even if true. Second, we don't know how Sakurai defines a clone (comparing Mario and Dr. Mario is quite different from comparing Mario and Luigi, for example). He seemed to focus quite a deal on the differences between Ness and Lucas in his most recent update. Really, the only move that seems to function exactly like Ness' is his up-B (and that includes different standard moves). I'm not saying Ness is going to return. In fact, I think there is a reasonable chance he's gone. I am tired of all these posts saying "OHG OD WAHT ISHE GONA DO SINCE NESSS IS DEF OUT NOW!!" when Ness also has a decent chance of being back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobaltstarfire Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 Did you play Melee? Luigi's moveset could only be compared to Mario's in appearance, and his style of play is completely different. All the "Clones" play different than what they're a copy of, but they still are visibly the same for the most part. Falco is a clone of Fox by the meaning clone is given when people talk about this. Fox and Falco do not play the same but Falco is still considered a clone. Right now unless Ness has a completely new move set he's probably not in the game as a player character because that would make Lucas a clone because they seem to have quite a few similarities. (I think that's where the discussion started on clones). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfoot Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 In fact, I think there is a reasonable chance he's gone. Reasonable? I think this has pretty much indicated that he's gone: "There’s a character named Ness who has appeared in the Smash Bros. series up until now" Also, I love how everyone seems to be so happy that Yoshi is getting up-smashed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eulogic Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 Reasonable? I think this has pretty much indicated that he's gone: "There’s a character named Ness who has appeared in the Smash Bros. series up until now" I took that as "to this point" rather than "but not anymore." I understand that you think I have a weak argument, but my argument is not that Ness will return, but simply that you should not take your assumption that Ness will not return as fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BardicKnowledge Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 I'm impressed that they've redone all of Lucas' normal moves as well. Which, by the way, also means that Ness isn't neccessarily (no pun intended) out of the picture just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfoot Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 I took that as "to this point" rather than "but not anymore."I understand that you think I have a weak argument, but my argument is not that Ness will return, but simply that you should not take your assumption that Ness will not return as fact. You're right, it could be taken either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shonen Samurai Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 This is the update I've been waiting for. Every JAPAN TIME I hit F5, praying for a Lucas moveset. And at the same time, I'm worried that this is a death knell for my Nessticle. But! Nice moveset! And they kept his almighty back-kick, plus he can tether-grab ledges (and people!) now. Ness' grab range was utter trash and it's nice to see that they've improved on it. Now if they just keep his ridiculously overpowered back-throw, we'll be in good shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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