ASK A JUDGE: While we're busy NOT voting - your questions, we want 'em

[Mirby]

He'd want to be the very best like no one ever was if it weren't for one thing.

He already is.

[Fishy]

But it's black metal. It's still a sort of hazy area I think.

You keep kinda half insinuating that we treat black metal differently. It's not a hazy area. It has exactly the same standards as every other genre we judge.

[Brandon Strader]

I meant it was a hazy area for me

I just remembered the third question I had... it was how come FFX Hurry album couldn't be official?

[prophetik music]

watch your tone dude, or i'll pee on your headstone too! >___>

no sarcasm intended =)

[OceansAndrew]

no sarcasm intended =)

yeah, i didn't actually read what you wrote the first time through. However, I feel that my response was the correct one anyways. *stern look*

[Level 99]

Question about outside sources and sampling. What is the current policy on inclusion of samples from things other than the game? I know of numerous examples where it is allowed (explicit example being "31 Seconds" by John Revoredo). However, I also have seen a few examples where it was not allowed (OCR00223 - Super Mario 64 'Haunted Hell (IncuCujoKondoD.Bros. Mix)', removed citing that as part of the reason).

I'm assuming that it is allowed as long as it is not a majority composition element in the mix, correct? If this question has already been answered, my apologies.

[Palpable]

Question about outside sources and sampling. What is the current policy on inclusion of samples from things other than the game? I know of numerous examples where it is allowed (explicit example being "31 Seconds" by John Revoredo). However, I also have seen a few examples where it was not allowed (OCR00223 - Super Mario 64 'Haunted Hell (IncuCujoKondoD.Bros. Mix)', removed citing that as part of the reason).

I'm assuming that it is allowed as long as it is not a majority composition element in the mix, correct? If this question has already been answered, my apologies.

Yeah, depends on prominence and amount of sampling. I don't think we have any hard and fast rule about it.

[Liontamer]

Question about outside sources and sampling. What is the current policy on inclusion of samples from things other than the game? I know of numerous examples where it is allowed (explicit example being "31 Seconds" by John Revoredo). However, I also have seen a few examples where it was not allowed (OCR00223 - Super Mario 64 'Haunted Hell (IncuCujoKondoD.Bros. Mix)', removed citing that as part of the reason).

I'm assuming that it is allowed as long as it is not a majority composition element in the mix, correct? If this question has already been answered, my apologies.

Agreed with Vinnie that it's case-by-case, but re: Haunted Hell, removing that mix had less to do with the outside sampling, and more to do with using the original game audio, as opposed to re-arranging it. The Fight Club music sampling didn't help either. Basically direct audio sampling of any kind needs to be sparing, but SFX and spoken word stuff is generally fine. When direct audio sampling of VGM or outside music becomes a foundation of the track, then it becomes problematic.

[Fishy]

My Aire Tam Break mix has an obvious Pendulum lift (which is an obvious Jeff Wayne lift to begin with). It's fine in mini doses.

[Level 99]

Understood, sirs. Thank you for the clarifications. It was what I had assumed but, in the end, it is always best to double-check.

[Mirby]

question: what's the difference between a NO and a NO OVERRIDE?

[Eino Keskitalo]

Are Fishy and zircon Jooj-Cat?

--Eino

[Mirby]

nah, Jooj-cat's real name is Locke. or Celes. OWAIT *shot*

[Rozovian]

question: what's the difference between a NO and a NO OVERRIDE?

As I understand it, NO means "I vote that this isn't up to ocr's standards or the kind of stuff ocr is about". NO OVERRIDE means it's violating the standards or otherwise doesn't warrant a complete vote.

Isn't this in the FAQ or something?

[Mirby]

I was too lazy to look...

But that makes sense.

[Palpable]

As I understand it, NO means "I vote that this isn't up to ocr's standards or the kind of stuff ocr is about". NO OVERRIDE means it's violating the standards or otherwise doesn't warrant a complete vote.

Isn't this in the FAQ or something?

It's not, I just tried to find it. But you have it right.

[DarkeSword]

nah, Jooj-cat's real name is Locke. or Celes. OWAIT *shot*

This thread is Ask a Judge, not Ask a Mirby.

[Eino Keskitalo]

For a moment there were dates in the judging threads; is that something you use in-panel to keep track of dates the pieces were submitted/paneled?

--Eino

[Liontamer]

For a moment there were dates in the judging threads; is that something you use in-panel to keep track of dates the pieces were submitted/paneled?

--Eino

Nah, we just put randomized dates on there to amuse ourselves.

[Emunator]

When you guys went through the purges, did any artist that had their work removed come back and raise hell trying to get it back on the site?

[WillRock]

http://ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?t=31408

Saw this today and was wondering why it was no override, i've never seen it used for any other reason than it violating the standards, which is how rozovian said it was used in an earlier post. Is it used when remixes clearly aren't up to standard as well? or was there something else i've missed?

[Fishy]

To be honest I'm not sure why Andy overrided it. If the production is that bad it shouldn't have been panelled to begin with.

[zircon]

I felt it was at so low of a level that it should not have been paneled, that's correct. Any additional vote(s) would have been a total waste of time.

[OceansAndrew]

I felt it was at so low of a level that it should not have been paneled, that's correct. Any additional vote(s) would have been a total waste of time.

Emphasis mine.

That is pretty insulting to the artist, IMO. Oftentimes I will send something that would be a definite 3-NO to the panel anyways to give the artist a more detailed look on what they can be doing better besides the straightforward form letter information. I understand the judges panel is in place specifically to keep the integrity of the site's output intact, but helping aspiring ReMixers out is never a waste of time. The exception would maybe be if they refuse to learn or listen to critique, and based on a simple submission without any context, is impossible to decide.

[zircon]

Obviously it's never a waste of time to help ReMixers if you put it that way, but we can't even give timely feedback on the mixes we DO panel. That's why mixes get direct rejected... because we don't have time. A DR is perhaps more insulting than getting a N.O. vote because at least with the latter they're getting at least some more specific feedback. Because this particular mix was so far below the bar, I felt that the two votes it already had were more than enough. After listening to probably 500+ subs I feel pretty good about my ability to know when something should have been in that DR pile. Anyway, since this is more an internal point of contention I'm happy to keep discussing it via IRC