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OCR01314 - Chrono Trigger "The Dark Before the Dawn"

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This is one of my favorite songs from Chrono Trigger, and this remix very accurately conveys the emotion of the piece. As the judges have pointed out, there are defintely some issues of quality regarding the samples, but its still beautifully well done. Kudos.

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i honestly think i can say that this is not one of my favorite remixes. it starts off very nicely, but it falls apart towards the end. it seems as if Will Buck was too ambitious and lost focus at around the four or five minute mark. i feel quality was lost here over quantity.

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This is one of my favorites fromt he game. I personally think it could have been done much better. However not to sell this short it is still a nicely put togetehr and arranged remix. Sadly though not exactly the remix i woudl have wanted of this song. will still make the next cd burn though

well done

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Yeah.. this also happens to be one of my favorite tracks from the game. I never imagined it arranged in this fashion, but it still has quite a few great points throughout. A great download and it may yet make my next CD burn. :)

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The judges must have been a little tipsy after letting this one slide through. Wait, am I on vgmix.com or is this still oc remix??

While the production and samples is a little weak, the great arrangement more than makes up for it. Production (not just samples, but processing, mixing, mastering, etc.) is just one important criteria we look at. The arrangement here is definitely great, and the weakness in production didn't diminish the quality of the mix. In my view, it was well above the standard bar overall.

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Ah this song brings back some good memories. All the sorrowful events and little sentimental acts encountered in the game, now pops up again in the listeners ears ..and with enjoyable results too.

Good choice of intruments ,and some very mellow swings in high and low tunage..I believe some listeners would actually sit down and weep to this one. It is that good a song.

Nice one Mr.Buck :D

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The judges must have been a little tipsy after letting this one slide through. Wait, am I on vgmix.com or is this still oc remix??

While the production and samples is a little weak, the great arrangement more than makes up for it. Production (not just samples, but processing, mixing, mastering, etc.) is just one important criteria we look at. The arrangement here is definitely great, and the weakness in production didn't diminish the quality of the mix. In my view, it was well above the standard bar overall.

Gray you thought the arrangement was great? I don't see how you can come to that conclusion. I didn't really find it particularly innovative, nor did I like the way that there was no real flow or progression within the music. Seriously, listen to it again!

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Gray you thought the arrangement was great? I don't see how you can come to that conclusion. I didn't really find it particularly innovative, nor did I like the way that there was no real flow or progression within the music. Seriously, listen to it again!

You don't seem to have any appreciation for the musical style.

It's not supposed to progess at all, and if by "flow" you mean "composition", then yes, this song has plenty of flow.

I like the song, personally. The quiet atmosphere and low-quality samples make it sound a lot like a track from an old RPG, perhaps during dialogue or a cutscene.

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The arrangement starts out fairly bland, and almost identical to the original. At first, I was confused why this had even been accepted. But then the improvements and variations and additions started comming in, each better than the last. Very good arranging, I think. Wonderful, in fact.

However! I'm really feeling uninspired by the samples. Obviously, samples aren't the onlything that a peice has to offer, but they really do help, a lot. The biggest problem, unfortunately, is the strings... the lead instrument in most places. The horns aren't very good either. In general, the lead instrument should be the thing most focused on in terms of sound quality. The flute-like instrument around the five minute mark is pretty good, for instance. It doesn't sound real, but it adds a lot to the music as a whole.

The "quiet bits" are really the worst when it comes to sound quality, because you have to strain to hear it and as such, the imperfections are all the more noticed. Like when your professor lowers his voice to deliver an important point in class, you pay attention more. Additionally, the quiet bits had less movement, and more sustained notes... and sustained notes on a poor quality instrument just keeps getting worse. I didn't like that at all.

Where you have more movement and more arrangement, the mix is tolerable, even good. But the whole thing could have shined like polished silver if you had used better samples!

Decent work. Hope you find better samples in the future.

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I guess in this case its a matter of taste I found it a very well done piece granted not as good as compared to some of our elites but still a very well done piece here. It really picks up towards the end and this one just gets it right as far as i am concerned good job :)

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Ok, so this mix is probably very far away from my tastes. I just did not like it that much; it was drawn out and didn't seem to change at all throughout the entire song. Peaceful, but that's all I can really say.

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It's not common that a piece will keep repeating in my head like this one has. It is very well-crafted, kind of reminding me of an Asian horror/drama soundtrack combined with Uematsu quirks.

Many of the samples actually sound similar something that would be on the SNES. Overall, I *love* this arrangement and I wish there were more "remixes" like it here.

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While nothing jumps out and grabs you, it's still a stable piece. Nothing overly interesting, but background music, and I think that's what it was meant to provide.

It achieved what Will was trying to portray. While not one of my favorites, it's calm, cool, and slick.

It's one of those songs that start off "okay" for the first few listens, then gradually becomes better and better over time with each listen.

I think it's interesting that he worked on the Xenogears Light project. I just ordered my copy a few days ago. Can't wait for that.

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Only because of the fact that this isn´t a Schala nor Zeal, I´m gonna download it.

But it is good, it has length so that you get some time to really enjoy it, but this isn´t a never ending loop here folks, Buck always brings out something new into the light so that it never gets boring or bad done. Very nice strings and... an organ, if I presume right. There was a real beautiful flute at the end, that itself released the final part that had a little more power to make a good ending.

Buckdude, great job. :D

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The samples have been thoroughly discussed, so I won't add anything about them. I found this theme to be one of the most intriguing in the game (maybe I'm a sap), so it's good to finally hear it get some attention. The arrangement is fairly good, though I felt like the slow sections were too static. It seems like Will Buck's talents are better suited to arranging for a live orchestra than for a computer.

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Sorry for raising this thread from the dead, but I'm just curious, does anyone have a higher-bitrate version of this song? It's a pretty decent song, but the compression artifacts really aren't kind to it at all on a good sound system. Maybe what sounds like bad samples can be partly attributed to that.

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The samples are super weak on this one, but there are some new harmonic additions, and the melody itself if a classic. It slowly develops, and the mood changes from a bit melancholy to something a bit more hopeful. The additional partwriting is great, but I can't help but wish this one was revisited with some better samples. It's still enjoyable to listen to for me, but I think a lot of people would be turned off by the high end GM sound.

Check it out and see which camp you fall into.

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I'm only a sample-quality nazi when I really feel something isn't right, and with this, I'm afraid I minded the samples. Not majorly, but they still drew me away somewhat. The mix interweaves between tolerable and just very plain and tasteless. In some spots, I feel like I'm listening to the soundset from Ocarina of Time.

But you know, in other patches of the tune things sound quite pleasant and ear-catching. The arrangement does the mix some tremendous and much-needed heavy lifting, and keeps up a standard sound of competence.

I feel like I do need to point out the really apparent lack of balance in this. The quality in later spots far exceeds the anemic, boring, bone-dry beginning. I enjoyed the work done in the later parts a lot, and so I found this a schizophrenic experience.

Overall, I'm convinced of the mixer's competence, but I think even in this track's richest sections, this is a little flatter than what we've become accustomed to at this stage of the site's life. A lot of promise and some nice ideas locked in a lackluster shell.

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Honestly, this is a pretty decent rendition of the classic tune, but the samples do hold it back the quality of the remix quite a bit. The arrangement is great but because of that one thing, it might deter a few people. Around 2:37 when the piano comes in, it helps to humanize the piece but when the strings appear a few moments later...I'd say they took a bit too much of center stage. 

I like it though, it's enjoyable. :)

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