al3xand3r Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Hmmm, I was thinking about the various cut scenes, and I remember something peculiar about Zant's telling of how he gained his powers. In his flashback, Ganondorf is seen telling Zant that he (Ganondorf) will house his power in Zant. Ganondorf appears as a bodyless entity, a sort of "evil essence" just floating about. In other words, Zant becomes a vessel for Ganondorf. Now, throughout the game, Zant is very cold and calculating, even his manner of walking exudes an evil that is very self-assured and unintimidated by anything. His character is more akin to the Ganondorf we know. However, in his flashback, Zant is more of an insecure and even childish figure (stomping and hitting the floor for not getting his way, etc). In fact, even the last part of the fight with Zant, when he wields his two swords, Zant comes across as rather clownish and foolish, attributes that clash with the Zant that has been shown in all cut scenes prior to Link's arrival to Zant's castle in the Twilit Realm. This leads me to believe that Zant wasn't merely given powers, but that he was actually possessed, to a degree, by Ganondorf (hence the "I will house my power in you" remark). I say "to a degree" because there seems to have been some shared consciousness of a sort, not a total possession, but more of two souls coexisting in one body, with Ganondorf's having more influence, obviously, but Zant's not being dormant at all (hence the "your ambitions will be my ambitions" bit in the flashback). If this is true, then, at least to me, I get more sense when, right before the fight with Zant, Zant tells Link and Midna that they are too late because his god (Ganondorf) has already descended from the sky down to Hyrule (which implies that he took human form). Does this then explain Zelda's possession? Except in this case, it wasn't a shared consciousness, but a total posession. Now, the only reason Ganondorf managed to do this was because Zelda had passed her life on to Midna in order to save her. Zelda's body was of no use anymore, and Ganondorf took hold of this empty vessel (Can it be said then that Midna served as a vessel for a dormant Zelda?). During the fight with "puppet Zelda," Ganondorf is released, but by this time he has already gained enough power to materialize himself again (perhaps a stretch, but maybe the temporary possession of Zelda's body allowed him to access and channel Zelda's triforce power along with his own, and thus gain enough power to bring his true self back). What do you guys think of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Taucer Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 It would explain a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nohero Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 While I enjoyed Majora's Mask, my main issue is the boss fights being easy. Yeah, maybe they were in TP, but you know what? They were FUN. Seriously. I think that's more important than their difficulty. Goht (MM) and Stallord (TP) are probably the most fun boss battles in Zelda history. Personally, I saw a lot of Majora's Mask in Twilight Princess, and they're two of my favorite Zelda titles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merk Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 It would explain a lot. Still doesn't explain how she just disappears when reviving Midna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Effef Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I really like how they seemed to focus a bit more on the story in TP. Especially with Midna. She is, in my opinion, the best secondary character to arrive in a Nintendo made game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Damned Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Especially with Midna. She is, in my opinion, the best secondary character to arrive in a Nintendo made game.QFT and QFE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWarp Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 One thing I've noticed: Zelda TP barely has any platforming. No wonder I liked the OoT dungeons more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty-second Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 I had my copy of the Wii TP from Gamestop preordered years ago, and I picked it up on launch day with no problems. I just got a call from them saying that they'd do a trade-in with it for $35. TP is far too amazing to let go of, but what's this all about? Did anyone else get that call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Damned Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Gamestop likes to do trade-ins, because they give you a few bucks for it and then sell it for like twenty. It also bolsters their stock, making them look better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty-second Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 I understand the concept of trading-in, but I was just curious as to why they were calling me asking about it. I really don't buy many games from them so it could just be I haven't encountered this yet.... I assumed it was some special thing, but if this is an ordinary occurance then disregard this message ^_~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalzon Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Still doesn't explain how she just disappears when reviving Midna. Because showing anyone "dying" on camera is simply not permitted, so instead you just have the ol' "body slowly vanishes" trick to represent them dying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cecilff2 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 I think that her spirit was transferred to midna. Without a spirit the body couldn't project into the twilight like the other spirits did. At first I thought she gave her triforce to midna or something and it took away her protection from the twilight and they just didn't let you sense her. But thats not the case either cause Ganon will use her triforce when he possesses her. So anyways she just wasn't visible anymore cause her spirit was gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettybo Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Help please i am in the village waer the children are keepet and i can not get out i have done everything i have to do but cant get in hyrule field to get to n ordon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverStar Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Help please i am in the village waer the children are keepet and i can not get out i have done everything i have to do but cant get in hyrule field to get to n ordon. Might I suggest www.gamefaqs.com ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEMANTK Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 All in all I think its the greates game ever made. but OoT has all that nostalgia goin for it. even though TP is a better game I still favor OoT of all the zeldas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Krono Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 So I found out something funny while fighting ganondorf at the end. I was messing around with items, and I found out that casting the fishing rod in ganondorfs face makes him look at the lure (assuming its close enough to him), which allows you some free hits on him. I don't know if this was already posted or not, but I just thought Id share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamburglar Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 So I found out something funny while fighting ganondorf at the end.I was messing around with items, and I found out that casting the fishing rod in ganondorfs face makes him look at the lure (assuming its close enough to him), which allows you some free hits on him. I don't know if this was already posted or not, but I just thought Id share. Which fight is this at the end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Krono Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 Which fight is this at the end? The very last one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kureejii Lea Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 I don't know if this was already posted or not About thirteen pages ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadofsky Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 I recently started a new game, I'm taking my time on the game, trying to find everything before I get to the end. Just bought some Component Cabels (the official Nintendo cables), and I can see quite a difference in the quality, though not a drastic difference. I highly recomend that if you can afford Component Cables and see them, BUY THEM!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andu_Tros Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Just bought some Component Cabels (the official Nintendo cables), and I can see quite a difference in the quality, though not a drastic difference. I highly recomend that if you can afford Component Cables and see them, BUY THEM!! Agreed. While it's not 760p or anything of that nature, it still looks a lot better than with regular RCA cables. **POSSIBLY SPOILER** On a slightly different note, has anyone in here been a victim of the canon room glitch? **END SPOILER** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aninymouse Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 I've been meaning to get some component cables, but the big-ass TV downstairs is a bad place for monopolizing. I'll wait 'til I get my own HD TV. Never got trapped by the cannon glitch, because there were a lot of people who sped through at about twice the speed I was going, even though I got my copy on launch day. I'll probably play through a second time. TP lacks a gimmick collectors sidequest, aside from the Poes, though. The pictographs in WW at least gave me some much-needed eye candy. I dunno, I guess after all the time I've spent playing OoT and MM I just like the idea of fighting a bajillion Skulltulas instead of a hundred Poes or whatever. Personal choice. Gotta admit, WW's character interaction was the most "natural-feeling" we've seen yet in a Zelda game, considering the sheer number of characters, tasks and secrets on Windfall and Outset alone. And then there was the trading sidequest with the Gorons, which I was sad had no counterpart in TP. But of course, it was the main point in MM, and MM still in my mind is the most astounding Zelda game ever. Just... so jam packed with content, but too short, really. Honestly, most Zelda games end up being A+ titles so I guess it becomes pointless to debate quantitative quality. Ball & Chain > all, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverStar Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 One thing that just completely disappointed me, was that there's no secret bomb a hole in a wall to go on, type deals. nothing. anywhere. They give you all these bombs, but nothing worth doing with them. And no reason to go back and explore dungeons you've already cleared. At least in OoT, there were skulltulas that were hidden away behind bombable walls. And you always had -some- way of locating them. The poes? By day, nothing. Not even a trace. Link should be able to sniff the poes out, or something, but he can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalzon Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 One thing that just completely disappointed me, was that there's no secret bomb a hole in a wall to go on, type deals. nothing. anywhere. They give you all these bombs, but nothing worth doing with them. And no reason to go back and explore dungeons you've already cleared. What about pieces of heart you may have missed? Granted, you can get them on your first trip, but they're certainly missable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverStar Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 What about pieces of heart you may have missed? Granted, you can get them on your first trip, but they're certainly missable. I think I missed.. 2 heart pieces, located in dungeons. And one was in the temple of time. There's just not a lot of backtracking through dungeons for any collectables. They give you all these damn chests, but they're all just full of useless rupees. I could have bought the magic armor at the original price, if it was even possible in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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