Bleck Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 i saw the movie twice and didn't see any such visual cue.i already admitted that i should've pieced it together before, so chill out sourpuss. I've seen the movie six times and I can pretty much remember exactly what happens also I am pretty sure you admitted no such thing so just stop posting about it thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckles Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 I've seen the movie six times. Ok then. You win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgeCrusher Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Thank you for saying that. Yes, as great as the movie was, the numbers does not lie. People are watching it for a lot of reasons and it IS a Batman movie. People are going to watch it on the hype and the name alone. I think it's fair to say that most of the audience probably aren't even comicbook fans or would normally would watch it had this movie not get the buzz (for good or bad reasons) and the rave it got.......... what? That's what tongue-in-cheek means. Everything Joker does, you can't take them at face value since they're always threatening and more importantly, ironic. Ironic? ROFL! He is in no way ironic. All of his destruction and death are not "ironic" as everything that happened happened the way he wanted it to due to trickery and pure insanity. Nothing was "ironic". But post another paragraph backpedaling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defender!! Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 also I am pretty sure you admitted no such thing so just stop posting about it thanks -- a bit out there, yeah. i also never saw the first movie and didn't know how close he was to dawes or how committed he would be to saving her.that, and gordon showing up at the other place really should've tipped me off. i'm just dumb just settle down there, champ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenobio Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 What the hell, man? You can disagree with me, but there's no reason to put me down. Ah, don't let it bug you--he's just PMSing again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defender!! Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 seriously, why the hell is everyone so hostile about what did or didn't or should or shouldn't have happened in the damn movie i guess they're just victims of the batmania Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Joker Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 It's because they all got the left side of their respective heads burnt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friendlyHunter Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 It's because they all got the left side of their respective heads burnt. Personally, I thought the movie was... *coin lands with burned side up* ...full of plot holes and uninspired dialog and action. The Joker wasn't scary or funny, the chase scene made no sense at all, and there was no tension whatsoever due to the bad acting of all the main characters. Except for Two-Face and his pleasing coin-tossery - what an admirable guy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhsu Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 What the hell, man? You can disagree with me, but there's no reason to put me down. I don't think saying you weren't paying enough attention really counts as a putdown. I missed it too, and it was definitely because I wasn't paying attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-n-j-i-n Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Ironic? ROFL! He is in no way ironic. All of his destruction and death are not "ironic" as everything that happened happened the way he wanted it to due to trickery and pure insanity. Nothing was "ironic". But post another paragraph backpedaling. The irony is how he basically makes a mockery of all human life and law and order he comes across. We don't really get a reasoning for why he does it and he most definitely is insane (did I ever disagree?), but I think that's basically the lore of the Joker throughout. The way he taunts Batman and becomes a counter to all the order and justice Batman tries to dish out, I think that was one of the central themes of the whole movie. Everything he says or acts upon as a form of joke is basically a no laughing matter for everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJT Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 The irony is how he basically makes a mockery of all human life and law and order he comes across. i·ro·ny 1. the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend. 2.Literature. a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated. The Joker is established early on as a sociopath. If we're going to go by the definition of irony than there is nothing ironic about the Joker in this film. If you want, we can make up a different meaning for the word. Maybe it can mean "likes candy." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-n-j-i-n Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 So what part of that definition didn't fit it anyway? Joker always says one thing or intends it as a joke but it always has a macabre side to it. If you can't be convinced of it, then don't be. Not my business to get tangled on a word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhsu Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 1. the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.2.Literature. a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated. ^ probably that part Neither Joker nor the movie did anything to convey or indicate anything opposite of what he said when he told him the addresses...it was just a straight-up lie. You don't say someone's being ironic when they lie. What's ironic is when Batman demands that Joker "let her go." He clearly meant the opposite of what he actually said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgeCrusher Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 INJIN is as dense as a 14 year old teenage girl. Just ignore him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rem Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Jesus Christ what are you people arguing about??? In other news is Dent definitely, definitely dead? I'm hearing differing voices on this one. Also I waited through the credits to see a scene with Dent alive (I BAWWWWWWed when I didn't see anything) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Sounds Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Also I waited through the credits to see a scene with Dent alive (I BAWWWWWWed when I didn't see anything) Heh, in the theater I went to the cleaning crew was like "Dude, there's no secret ending! I need to sweep in the rows now." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleck Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 At first I though he's definitely dead, but people involved with the film have said some things that may hint at otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-n-j-i-n Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 ^ probably that partNeither Joker nor the movie did anything to convey or indicate anything opposite of what he said when he told him the addresses...it was just a straight-up lie. You don't say someone's being ironic when they lie. What's ironic is when Batman demands that Joker "let her go." He clearly meant the opposite of what he actually said. Missing the whole point why I point out the irony. In that specific case, you're right. But in terms of Joker as an antithesis to Batman, to his very jokes which basically aren't funny to every one of his victims via his dark, ironic sense of humor, those are totally different ideas. Seriously, how is this hard to comprehend? And really, this is an argument? Who said this was an argument? So I'm saying one thing and if someone disagrees, then that's that. Don't spin it off into something that wasn't even implied originally. Apparently some people can't help but put everything I say into some sort of a subversive rant while I'm only putting face value into it all. Let me say "Joker is a bad guy". And we'll see a dozen raving posts about why that is false. "Batman is a good guy". Have fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhsu Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 You were very clearly referring to that specific scene as "tongue-in-cheek," so I debated your word usage you on that specific scene...at what point did I "miss the whole point"? I'm not the one who spun things off here...even though I don't think word definitions are usually something you can just agree to disagree on, I was fine with leaving it at the initial correction. But you decided to argue about it, and when other people jumped in, you went off on some tangent about Joker as an antithesis to Batman, which nobody was talking about in the first place. So much for "that's that." You rants aren't subversive, they're just wrong sometimes. Which is fine, we're all wrong at one point or another, but you should expect to be called out on it when you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-n-j-i-n Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I simply think we were talking about two different things altogether and maybe I didn't try to make the distinction. Either way, I don't really find what to even argue about here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhsu Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I'd like to point out that arguing about semantics is bad if pretty much anyone does it. Well, it's not just semantics if the word makes the actual statement off-base. It's not that he could've used a better word, it's that he used the wrong word. But yeah, that was a lame derail and I apologize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJT Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF085-The_Tree_of_Irony.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Author Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 IIT: Injin was wrong, and sounded like Alanis Morissette. Great movie, great joker, and well, too many people with opinions formed on characters they do not know. Third movie needs Clayface, Freeze, or Devito's Penguin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleck Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Why do you say that, RD? I still think the only characters that could work are The Riddler or maaaybe Catwoman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgeCrusher Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Id love to see clayface but itd have to be CGI out the fuck. And that would make me sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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