The Dark Knight

[DarkeSword]

No.

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Then don't make arguments about actors accurately or inaccurately portraying the character based on how they're presented in the comics.

Also, I'm not sure what to make of the Ledger version apparently being born simply because his daddy was a bad guy.

Wow, you actually missed the joke.

[Nekofrog]

I think Nicholson did a better job of creating a comic book character. His Joker is more in tune with the sort of whackjob that runs around pulling crimes like they're pranks on the establishment.

Ledger's Joker is just a regular genius psychopath. He plays a great one, no question there, but in terms of capturing the feel of the comic book Joker I don't think he comes nearly as close to it as Nicholson did.

Nicholson was a terrible Joker and played him like he never was in any of the comics.

The Joker never danced around to Prince songs while spraypainting things.

People need to seriously go back and rewatch the first Batman movie. Enjoyable it may be, but in terms of portraying the characters it was shit.

[atmuh]

ok this is a question i ask a lot but now im serious

i wanna start reading batman comics because batman has always been my favorite comic character but ive never actually gotten into comics before

i need a STARTING point plz

also ds i started reading welcome to tranquility yesterday finally ill finish that in a few days

[Lotd2242]

Then don't make arguments about actors accurately or inaccurately portraying the character based on how they're presented in the comics.

I didn't say I don't read comics. I won't read more comics.

The Joker's portrayal has oscillated back and forth over the years between homicidal psychopath a la Ledger and goofy jackass a la Nicholoson.

But fine if we don't want to compare to the comics, then I'd say Nicholoson's Joker is more fun.

My favorite Joker of all is still Mark Hamill's version though.

[Sindra]

Mark Hamill will always be the *voice* of the Joker. I dunno if he could pull of acting the part IRL. (though hell if I wouldn't like to see him try...I think he'd be the only other person besides Nicholson and Ledger that could pull off a believable version of the Joker in my opinion)

[DarkeSword]

ok this is a question i ask a lot but now im serious

i wanna start reading batman comics because batman has always been my favorite comic character but ive never actually gotten into comics before

i need a STARTING point plz

also ds i started reading welcome to tranquility yesterday finally ill finish that in a few days

There are three main Bat-titles that DC publishes right now: Batman, Detective Comics, and Batman Confidential.

Batman is focused more on developing Batman as a character and telling the BIG Batman stories, like RIP.

Detective Comics is (obviously) more about Batman solving crimes. If you're a fan of The Animated Series, this is the title for you.

Batman Confidential is where DC tells stories from Batman's history; it's not a title that ties into the current happenings in the DCU. The story arcs are contained.

As for a starting point with Batman, I'd recommend grabbing the Batman & Son trade paperback. It's the first story arc in Grant Morrison's run (he's the current writer of the series). I think Club of Heroes is after that, and a few more story arcs that all lead into Batman RIP, which is the big story going on right now.

Detective Comics is more of a one-shot/two-parter book, so you're generally safe just jumping in anywhere, except for the current story arc, Heart of Hush, which is a 5-part sequel to Batman: Hush (which is available in two trade paperbacks; recommended). Heart of Hush just started last issue, so that's not a bad jump-on point either, so long as you read Hush.

With Confidential, you're pretty much all set grabbing an issue whenever a new story arc starts, because the story arcs aren't linked together; there are different creative teams and they take place in different points in Batman's history. The current story-arc is a really hilarious story about the first time Batgirl (Barbara Gordon) met Catwoman; it's three issues in.

There are a ton of other older Batman stories you can get, but I assumed you were asking about following the new stuff and keeping current with the character.

EDIT: Also want to stress: don't even attempt to read Batman RIP if you don't know what's been going on in Batman comics lately; you will get lost and hurt your brain.

[Poke'G]

I think Nicholson did a better job of creating a comic book character. His Joker is more in tune with the sort of whackjob that runs around pulling crimes like they're pranks on the establishment.

Ledger's Joker is just a regular genius psychopath. He plays a great one, no question there, but in terms of capturing the feel of the comic book Joker I don't think he comes nearly as close to it as Nicholson did.

I'm going to agree with l-n-j-i-n and Lotd, Ledger played an awesome villain, but I never felt I was watching The Joker through most of the movie. When that comes up, everyone I talk to immediately references the pencil trick.

Yes, no one is going to forget that moment, now name another Joker moment. There were a few, but we should have seen gags like that and off the wall hysterical laughing throughout the movie if it was Joker. They were sparse enough to feel like a reminder to whom the villain was supposed to be.

Joker, no matter how serious and evil he is portrayed, has a level of corniness to his madness inherent in being The Joker, who was supposedly once a failed comedian. Nolan's serious world lost that touch.

And on a side note to those ragging on Tim Burton's Batman, remember that it too was a phenomenon, was the first film to break $100 million in it's first ten days of release, and is the highest grossing DC film ever, and when Dark Knight passes it (an inevitable fact at this point) it will still be there above Begins.

[atmuh]

that sounds good enough for me and actually i dont care if its current or old i was just intimidated by the limitless amount of stuff that is available both in stores and in torrents

and yes i think ill actually be purchasing these!

[Gollgagh]

that sounds good enough for me and actually i dont care if its current or old i was just intimidated by the limitless amount of stuff that is available both in stores and in torrents

and yes i think ill actually be purchasing these!

Heh, that's how I feel since I don't konw that much about the comics myself.

[atmuh]

yeah there have been many times in the past that ive dled large quantities of comics but never bothered to read them but then there have been times when ive bought a few and i always read them then

i need a physical copy of it to care

i think its time to make a trip to midtown comics

[Chuckles]

There are three main Bat-titles that DC publishes right now: Batman, Detective Comics, and Batman Confidential.

*snip*

I might also recommend The Long Halloween. It's pretty self-contained, and it might be especially interesting right after watching TDK. Hopefully it'll whet your appetite enough to go from there.

[Nekofrog]

I'm going to agree with l-n-j-i-n and Lotd' date=' Ledger played an awesome villain, but I never felt I was watching The Joker through most of the movie. When that comes up, everyone I talk to immediately references the pencil trick.

Yes, no one is going to forget that moment, now name another Joker moment. [/quote']

Marching out of the hospital in a nurse's outfit as it all blows to hell, and then stopping as if a "oh, well lookitthat".

Want some more?

[Poke'G]

Excellent, and you are the first to say so. Like I said, everyone references the magic trick, and that's their argument alone. He had other moments too.

If you have them, yes.

[atmuh]

the video of him with the dude that was imitating batman

[Dhsu]

No need to be snide there.

Who's being snide? You don't have to take offense every time somebody makes a quip.

[DarkeSword]

Excellent' date=' and you are the first to say so. Like I said, everyone references the magic trick, and that's their argument alone. He had other moments too.

If you have them, yes.[/quote']

"I just want my phonecall."

[JH Sounds]

I think the little things add up to a nice whole, like his "Ha ha ha ha aha... Ha. Ha. Aha. Ho." laugh and "drinking" the champagne.

[Dhsu]

"Hiii..."

"I'm, I'm, I'm like a dog chasing cars. I, I wouldn't know what to do with it if I caught it!"

The iconic "Let's put a smile on that face!" and "Why so serious?" lines are pretty standard Joker fare too, just with a slightly darker spin this time around.

Someone mentioned on another board that it would've been hilarious if the copycat turned out to be Keaton. I agree.

[Zombie]

"Lets not blow things out of proportion here."

Joker then commences to reveal inside of coat rigged with grenades.

[Darth GourryGN]

"Here's my card."

>_>

The kids in the audience thought Joker was hilarious but they laughed their asses off when they saw two-face. He creeped me out though. That freakin' eye. I kept waiting for it to pop out.

[Dhsu]

I also have to admit I laughed when I saw the firetruck on fire.

[JH Sounds]

Slaughter is the best medicine.

[Dhsu]

Haha, oh man, I forgot about that.

[The Phalanx]

Someone mentioned on another board that it would've been hilarious if the copycat turned out to be Keaton. I agree.

I completely agree.

[Sindra]

Marching out of the hospital in a nurse's outfit as it all blows to hell, and then stopping as if a "oh, well lookitthat".

Want some more?

It was more like him turning around after half of the explosions, smacking the remote he had, and was all "Huh, that's it? I coulda sworn I'd...."

Then the rest goes off and he hightails it outta there...in high heels.

Fucking priceless. Best scene in the movie for me.