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In case anyone happens to be in the area of northwestern North Carolina in January, I will be hosting a large-scale tournament on January 24th. It'll be in Boone, NC. Melee singles and Brawl doubles. Check here for more info. It's a-gonna be sweet.

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I have to disagree. If brawl had Simon Belmont, Megaman, Phoenix Wright, Viewtiful Joe, Klonoa, Ryu Hayabusa, de Blob, Travis Touchdown, KOS-MOS, Jade, Pac-Man, Sora, and Cooking Mama, then it would be a fanboy's dream.
Only my opinion, but anyway:
  1. Simon Belmont: Maybe, but maybe not, since he's not a Nintendo native, so it's a stretch.
  2. Mega Man: same situation as Simon Belmont; a bit of a stretch.
  3. Phoenix Wright? I don't know if he's a Nintendo native, but HELL YEAH! Captain Falcon: Show your moves! Phoenix Wright: OBJECTION!
  4. Klonoa: as a secret character, perhaps...
  5. Ryu Hayabusa: cool, though a stretch.
  6. de Blob: nah...
  7. Travis Touchdown: heh, that'd be interesting.
  8. Jade: from...
  9. Pac-Man: NO.

  10. Sora: from... Kingdom Hearts? Hmm... nice, though a stretch
  11. Cooking Mama: what fanboy dreamed of this? What's she going to do? Cook a big meal? Whoop people with spatulas? Invite her friends to dinner?

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It's mostly/all my opinion, but anyway:

Why do you say "not a Nintendo native"? Sonic and Snake aren't Nintendo natives are they?

No, they aren 't. I stress "not a Nintendo native" because the ones who aren't Nintendo originals would only be suitable in the game if there was a good reason for them being in it. The theory of Sonic and Snake's presence will be explained in the next paragraph.

I do recognize that the makers put those two in SSB because of clever marketing, as well as the longing for people to see Mario vs Sonic, two primary icons. So, it was not just for the hell of including Sonic and Snake.

The rest just seems like a bunch of wishing without realizing the relevance of Snake and Sonic. Snake came along because he represents Playstation, being the least expected (and the most badass), representing the more serious gaming of Sony. I guess it's because he would appeal more than the geeky Crash, or the other guys like Spyro and Tomba.

I don't think it'd be a bad idea to put in secret characters that aren't strictly Nintendo (such as Simon Belmont, which'd be damn cool), but the game could get sidetracked if the developers overdo a good idea. Hey, they can do what they want, but I'm just trying to talk in practicality.

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I thought Sonic was in because he was the most requested by fans, and Snake is in because Sakurai and Kojima are friends or something. Also, Snake was supposed to be in Melee, but they ran out of time? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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I thought Sonic was in because he was the most requested by fans, and Snake is in because Sakurai and Kojima are friends or something. Also, Snake was supposed to be in Melee, but they ran out of time? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Snake is in Brawl because Kojima wanted Snake in Melee, but it was already too late to add another character when he brought it up with Sakurai.

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Only my opinion, but anyway:
  1. Simon Belmont: Maybe, but maybe not, since he's not a Nintendo native, so it's a stretch.
  2. Mega Man: same situation as Simon Belmont; a bit of a stretch.
  3. Phoenix Wright? I don't know if he's a Nintendo native, but HELL YEAH! Captain Falcon: Show your moves! Phoenix Wright: OBJECTION!
  4. Klonoa: as a secret character, perhaps...
  5. Ryu Hayabusa: cool, though a stretch.
  6. de Blob: nah...
  7. Travis Touchdown: heh, that'd be interesting.
  8. Jade: from...
  9. Pac-Man: NO.

  10. Sora: from... Kingdom Hearts? Hmm... nice, though a stretch
  11. Cooking Mama: what fanboy dreamed of this? What's she going to do? Cook a big meal? Whoop people with spatulas? Invite her friends to dinner?

de Blob is MY dream character. I love the guy. Jade's from Beyond Good & Evil. And Cooking Mama was added just because, but she will invite her friends... to your FUNERAL. Also, she has shown she can be a crazy beeyotch when portrayed by a certain crazy animal rights group...

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I seem to recall playing CastleVania on the NES...as well as two of the better titles being GBA exclusives. While we're at it we might as well suggest Arthur from Ghosts'n'Goblins (or if you're a picky bastard, Super Ghouls'n'Ghosts), the dude from Contra, 8-bit Link, and pretty damn much every other popular character to ever appear in a nintendo game.

The thing with Smash Brothers is that it isn't really about who would we like to have in the game, it's more about who would be fun to play within the game's limitations and without severely tweaking or disrupting their characterization. You aren't going to just suddenly put someone from an FPS with no melee attacks whatsoever into the game, nor are you going to grab licensed characters that you'd have to spend a good deal of your production budget on in order to use.

So while people may want, say, Conker in the game, they won't because he's owned by Rare (and Microsoft wants the guy for their own purposes). Similar with anything owned by Square-Enix. There may be a slew of releases that were exclusive to Nintendo systems but would they be worth having in the game? Is having your Final Fantasy personages really that important?

I stress again that the character selection isn't about popularity but about playability. Right now the lineup may mostly be Classic Nintendo but you can't deny that when you get in a four-way match and people are playing to enjoy the game as much as they are to win that the game is FUN.

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I stress again that the character selection isn't about popularity but about playability. Right now the lineup may mostly be Classic Nintendo but you can't deny that when you get in a four-way match and people are playing to enjoy the game as much as they are to win that the game is FUN.

That's not exactly what I was saying, but I agree. It would be a fanboy's orgasmic dream to have Cloud from FF7 in there (remember, the Brawl Taunts vid?), but some of those too-good-to-be-true additions could actually screw up the game if they're pointless.

Cooking Mama's a biyatch? Ah, she may be, but no female can hold Sheik.

I thought Sonic was in because he was the most requested by fans, and Snake is in because Sakurai and Kojima are friends or something. Also, Snake was supposed to be in Melee, but they ran out of time? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

There's relevance there, and I admit, what I thought was theoretical.

Well, we'll let Hal and Nintendo do the rest. Question: if the next SSB (if there'll be a next) is too much like SSBB/SSBM, will you keep on with the series or lose faith? I think I'd lose faith.

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Only my opinion, but anyway:
  1. Simon Belmont: Maybe, but maybe not, since he's not a Nintendo native, so it's a stretch.
  2. Mega Man: same situation as Simon Belmont; a bit of a stretch.
  3. Phoenix Wright? I don't know if he's a Nintendo native, but HELL YEAH! Captain Falcon: Show your moves! Phoenix Wright: OBJECTION!
  4. Travis Touchdown: heh, that'd be interesting.
  5. Jade: from...
  6. Cooking Mama: what fanboy dreamed of this? What's she going to do? Cook a big meal? Whoop people with spatulas? Invite her friends to dinner?

all of these characters made their first appearance on Nintendo consoles

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Really... We`re back to this again. even with all the character confirmed for months ( a year?) we are still playing the "If it were my brawl id have _________. (s)he is so cool. Id love nintendo forever..."

Brawl kinda is lame... Melee seemed to hold my attetion so much longer, not sure why. But it seems like Brawl was way over hyped..

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all of these characters made their first appearance on Nintendo consoles

Including Klonoa? Also, Simon (and Ritcher) Belmont appeared on the NES/SNES series, but they were made by Konami, not Nintendo itself.

But it seems like Brawl was way over hyped

The transition from SSB to SSBM was beyond what I could imagine; from SSBM to SSBB was cool at first, but led to a few disappointments. I did like SSBB, but I expected more. The transition didn't seem big enough, apart from the new items/item edits (some are more detestable, yippee), extra trophy things and new characters. Not to mention, the Wi-Fi online play, which is what gave SSBB one true advantage to its elder.

They should have souped up Mewtwo. If he was a beast in the movie, he could have been a beast in the game.

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Including Klonoa?

the reason I did not include Klonoa in the list of people who made their first appearances on a Nintendo console is because Klonoa did not make his first appearance on a Nintendo console

also as much as I hate to admit it, I played melee with pretty much the same amount of vigor for almost eight years - and brawl held my attention for maybe three months at most

yeah still play it but it's just not as lasting and brawl is way too unbalanced

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I think the issue is that SSB was a nice little game, and fun, but nothing too exciting beyond the concept. Melee blew it out of the water, and Brawl ended up not being as much of a jump between the two, so it felt like we were just playing the same game as Melee, only updated. So after playing Melee for like seven years, Brawl playing mostly the same takes the sheen right off. If one had played Melee for a year or two then stopped entirely, I bet Brawl would have felt a lot more fresh.

I still play Brawl pretty consistently, though. About as consistently as I played Melee, in any case.

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and Brawl ended up not being as much of a jump between the two, so it felt like we were just playing the same game as Melee, only updated

If by updated, you mean sluggish, slowed-down, and a removal of almost every advanced technique, then sure, I'd call it updated too. The only way I'd consider brawl being updated is that there are different characters (you can't even completely say "added characters" because some were removed) and a more expanded single-player. Which is fine, but most of the meat of smash is in the versus mode.

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Question: if the next SSB (if there'll be a next) is too much like SSBB/SSBM, will you keep on with the series or lose faith? I think I'd lose faith.

Well I don't know. Familiarity and accessibility, those are the two things that will draw gamers to a title. I mean, Mega Man, Street Fighter, Contra? Okay so the first two are both Capcom franchises but you can't deny that people will play sequels even if they're a metric shitload like the previous game in the series.

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I think the only way people will be happy with another iteration is if it's melee 2.0 with characters from both games, and all of them more viable :P

I don't honestly care myself well not a lot I miss mewtwo :(, although I think I'd be more likely to buy melee 2.0 with character from melee and brawl mixed together than a brawl 2.0...

Also I can always hope the next game has Tails in it, I might be supremely convinced to main something other than Yoshi in that case. :P (I don't think more 3rd party characters will ever happen though).

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If by updated, you mean sluggish, slowed-down, and a removal of almost every advanced technique, then sure, I'd call it updated too. The only way I'd consider brawl being updated is that there are different characters (you can't even completely say "added characters" because some were removed) and a more expanded single-player. Which is fine, but most of the meat of smash is in the versus mode.

I've never played in any real tournaments or anything, so I guess I just don't miss that kind of stuff like other people do. The speed change was negligible for me, and as far as I can tell "advanced techniques" were just the physics going wonky when something specific was done. I'm pretty sure all those techniques weren't discovered on day one, either, so there may yet be more useful ones discovered.

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Also I can always hope the next game has Tails in it, I might be supremely convinced to main something other than Yoshi in that case. :P (I don't think more 3rd party characters will ever happen though).

:lol: If 3rd-party characters are ever included, especially from Sega, they better include Tails and Knuckles! Perhaps Shadow too, a phenomenal character. They can leave out the rest of the Sonic characters 'cuz adding them all = doing too much.

This is all wishful thinking, but NO I'm serious, I wanna' see Knuckles.

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Yeah, I'd be happy with Tails and Knuckles, but it somehow feels inappropriate to me to have any of the other Sonic characters as playable, unless they did a character rouster like Mario and Sonic at the Olympic games, instead of a smash-like one.

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