Salluz Posted November 7, 2008 Posted November 7, 2008 Luigi is AWESOME. He is an odd fellow to get used to, but once you do, you can destroy people. He is a beast, plus I haven't seen any characters that he cannot take out at all. Quote
Bleck Posted November 7, 2008 Posted November 7, 2008 He is a beast, plus I haven't seen any characters that he cannot take out at all. metaknight Quote
Jam Stunna Posted November 7, 2008 Posted November 7, 2008 Luigi definitely has potential to do well. His fsmash and up-b are fucking ridiculous, and's he's one of the few characters that comes close to having true combos. Plus they fixed his horrible recovery. It's like impossible to gimp him. That said, he doesn't have anything that can be easily abused, like Falco's chaingrab,Snake's tilts or MK in general. Unless you really like him (like Arek), you'll probably get more mileage out of a high or top tier character. Quote
Bleck Posted November 7, 2008 Posted November 7, 2008 seriously though, the more people get good with characters who AREN'T high tier, the better Quote
Sengin Posted November 7, 2008 Posted November 7, 2008 Agreed. Yay Peach! I just can't stop playing as her. But it's so damn difficult to kill... Quote
Global-Trance Posted November 7, 2008 Posted November 7, 2008 Amen. I don't even play top tier BECAUSE they're top tier. EDIT: SOMEONE PLAY ME ARRRRGH I'M BORED Quote
defender!! Posted November 7, 2008 Posted November 7, 2008 i have a prediction: by the end of brawl's lifespan (i.e. 7+ years at the very, very most) olly will be the best character in the game someone will come out with a perfect olly, a perfect camper with incredible spacing, and will bestow his knowledge unto us i'm picking up olimar now and seriously, he's really, really good. atomsk is my favorite olimar player (though as a DDD main, his penguin really's not all that good from what i've seen) and he can do some amazing stuff already. people are currently attempting to figure out how to "desync" the pikmin, effectively making them dangerous at any distance. his only weakness, his recovery, isn't TOO big of a hurdle with proper DI and smart recovery. seriously i'm scared of him (i also think mario will make it to at least mid tier) Quote
Global-Trance Posted November 7, 2008 Posted November 7, 2008 Luigi's n-air eats through like 90% of Olimar's attacks. GG. Quote
Zombie Posted November 7, 2008 Posted November 7, 2008 LOL GT own me. I suck, though i am kinda good with kirby. Or just lucky. Quote
Bleck Posted November 7, 2008 Posted November 7, 2008 beating olimar with sonic is really really easy from my experience Quote
Jam Stunna Posted November 7, 2008 Posted November 7, 2008 I don't see how you can desync the Pikmin; they're more like a sword than another character. It could only work if you could get individual Pikmin to perform different actions, which I'm pretty sure is impossible. And the problem with tiers is that it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Once people start doing better with a character, it moves up the tier list, and vice-versa. For example, here's all of the tier lists released for Melee: http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_previous_tier_lists If you win with a low-tier, that character's not going to be low-tier for long. Quote
cobaltstarfire Posted November 7, 2008 Posted November 7, 2008 Yoshi is all over the place as the list progresses, sometimes being as much as like 14th from the bottom (top middle), and sometimes 5th from the bottom. (that's the first thing I focused on cause I've always played Yoshi since the 64, and can't seem to reach the same level of skill I have with yoshi as with other characters...or they just bore me ) The top of the list seems staticish, but some of them bounce all over the place too. I've never really cared for tier lists, they seem to me to just be characters that are easiest to pick up and be decent with from the start even if one doesn't have a lot of technical skill. I don't know why I posted, I'm just bored, probably nothing actually worth posting though! Quote
Eten Posted November 7, 2008 Posted November 7, 2008 Pikmin are extended hitboxes, yes, but they also have their own hurtboxes. It means Olimar ends up with severe priority problems. Characters like, yes, Luigi just fly right through Olimar's pikmin practically as if they weren't even there. It's worse than just a priority clash, actually, because you still deal with the ending lag of the move even when the pikmin attack is cancelled out. Luigi's Nair just extra special because the hitbox is out for like forever so Luigi essentially becomes FLYING PIKMIN-INVINCIBLE WEEGEE for the duration. Tis lulz. I basically just ignore 90% of Olimar's attacks when I'm Luigi. I think like, I have to watch out for Olimar's uptilt or something, and like even then strong hitbox nair still beats that I think. I does the same thing to Snake's upsmash all the time too actually. Nades aren't so bad either, so eventually they just forced to do ftilt/uptilt spam. Those moves are so broken and gay. Quote
DuskyFerret Posted November 7, 2008 Posted November 7, 2008 On a different note, how many people have been able to beat Boss Battles on Intense? The furthest I've gotten is halfway through Tabuu before he's knocked me off screen. I've been playing with Lucas, hopefully I'll be able to beat him one of these days. On a side-note I've got holidays coming up after exams so I'll find some time to play online if you want someone new to play. I play as Lucas, but I'll have to get back to my one-on-one style of play which has been screwed up lately because of too many Boss Battle attempts and 100 man melees. Quote
Glenn565 Posted November 7, 2008 Posted November 7, 2008 I've been able to do it as Lucario. I never want to do it again, but I've done it. Quote
defender!! Posted November 7, 2008 Posted November 7, 2008 I don't see how you can desync the Pikmin; they're more like a sword than another character. It could only work if you could get individual Pikmin to perform different actions, which I'm pretty sure is impossible. maybe i used the wrong word--but basically, you can make the pikmin do an upsmash even if they're ten feet away from you. meaning that if you have a purple about four feet to the right of olly, where mario just happens to be, you'll theoretically be able to upsmash him from all the way over there. the weakness to this is that from what i've seen, they have to hit the pikmin first, and the command has to be entered IMMEDIATELY after they hit the pikmin. that's why i said they're brewing it up...could you imagine? olly his three pikmin. olly throws a pikmin, it doesn't stick and as it's walking back to him, he whistles twice and then usmashes and OH GOD WHERE DID I GO and i've never played olly vs. weegee (not a good one, anyway) so i'll take your word for it but doesn't his nair go through, like, 90% of ALL attacks? i played with him for about a month, that thing is nuts. Quote
Salluz Posted November 7, 2008 Posted November 7, 2008 when can you cats play today? Idk, gimme about two-three weeks. I decided to do a smash before I went to bed last night. That which I hate most is when you find yourself doing repetitive moves in the wrong direction (such as the drilling of A: Kirby's, CF's or Sheik's punches, Fox's kicks, etc). Thankfully, that's what cancelling is for. Takes practice to control your character. Sometimes I lose control; "smash blackout"; being so consumed in the act of kicking ass that I forget to back up when the counters come. If I'm in the zone enough, I'll start to use my impulses, knowing when to do what without much thought. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=145gcTuMFck IMO I did well, except for a few awkward moves (Samus' grab in the wrong direction, lol), but that happens when you're slapping the buttons and stick. Anyway, I get more competition against a real Marth player (more unpredictable, yet more logical; a human actually uses the sword counter / scary aerial combos, etc), but I can definitely put up a fight via Samus. I guess it's because he (Marth) must earnestly keep his defense from a distance as well as when near. True, Marth can block projectiles as well as regular hits, but only one at a time. I remember testing his counter against Mewtwo's Shadow Ball. If timed correctly, it can be blocked, but it's usually not worth gambling over; Mewtwo's Shadow Balls do the same amount of damage as Samus' Blast, but they have a jagged motion. The jagged motion can resist Marth's block (it's possible to absorb the ball when blocking it), so Marth can only block it from an angle. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJCP6hhCteQ I'm still working on my Link (directional mistake, butterfinger grab, U-air, lol) I'll admit, this had a couple bullshit moments, mostly because my controller has issues plus I'm fighting the CPU. Anyway, with Link, you have a good ability to catch people when they mess up or when they're in mid-move, although he is not fast. Link's advantage is his bulk and reach, but that can also work as a disadvantage. It's simply a matter of having more than one resolution. In case your attempt to break Fox's offensive rage doesn't work, you can put him in a state where he must back up because he isn't certain to take more of a defensive stance or an offensive. Normally, a human Fox would run when Link's being juggled too long because of the good-old-fashioned D-air. I was kinda' lucky because Fox could have backed up and did the F-smash when I landed the sword. I timed it about right (coulda' been quicker) because I would be too predictable if I allowed myself to fly all of the way up and land the spike. Currently uploading two more. Quote
BardicKnowledge Posted November 7, 2008 Posted November 7, 2008 Nohbody (or anyone else, for that matter), I'm free pretty much all day on weekdays -- find me in IRC and tell me to play. Quote
Salluz Posted November 7, 2008 Posted November 7, 2008 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_LFRGZ6ehA A Marth vs Mewtwo match called "Shedding Tiers". Mewtwo has a small advantage in terms of dodging, grabbing, edgeguarding and recovery (not against Marth), but he gets juggled and has sweetstop issues. I saw what I could have done in order to not get juggled (as much). I believe my victory was based more on ability to stay in the ring than anything else. Quote
The Derrit Posted November 7, 2008 Posted November 7, 2008 when can you cats play today? I might be able to tonight, I got it set up but I'm not sure how much of an issue lag is going to be. Lagtest me? Also. Salluz. I'm sorry but mewtwo has no advantage in any way shape or form against marth. There are many other people here who can back me up on that. Quote
Salluz Posted November 7, 2008 Posted November 7, 2008 It's clever how peeps modify the game of SSBB/SSBM, or even the first, but I personally do not enjoy the hacks, even if they're better. Just an opinion I am throwing out. Question: is it possible for someone with a moI am perfectly fine with winning or losing, but I don't want it to be because of cheating. Last vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXZZ6i2F6oA Samus vs Falco, kinda' tricky b/c Falco has those, quicker, smaller hits. Also. Salluz. I'm sorry but mewtwo has no advantage in any way shape or form against marth (my edit, lol). There are many other people here who can back me up on that. I had to edit the previous post. Of course not, lol! What I meant was regarding his own advantages, not his stats in comparison to Marth. Sorry. No need to apologize; I'd be the first to back up your claims. I should have been saying that he can get back to the ring more beautifully than Marth, even if it's for the sake of getting kicked back out beautifully. Quote
Global-Trance Posted November 7, 2008 Posted November 7, 2008 No offense, but I kinda wish you'd stop hogging up all the thread space with a ton of videos that are really slow and drawn out. And how are the videos that long? Level 9s can't even BLOCK properly. You should be three/four stocking them in like half the time. Also some of you jerks need to play me. I'm basically free all day. Quote
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