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#61 pmac

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 11:34 PM

First off, I'm a huge fan of OCR, and you guys really nailed it this time. This feels a little more of a soundtrack than other OCR Albums, where I feel like you could throw this in the game and it'd work perfectly. Not to say the others wouldn't, but sometimes remixes are based off of themes rather than atmosphere, but this album is a great medium.


But I do have to comment on a type of song, which is present in the album. Specifically, the Kong In Kongcert song. These type of vocal songs show up now and then on albums, and I have to say, I'm really not a fan. I almost always hit next when these songs come on, where it just feels weird and out of place. I think vocal tracks are cool now and then, like the Hot Head Bop from the DKC2 album. But this? It's like it's pandering to a 12 year old girl demographic. But most of all, it just doesn't fit with the rest of the album. The rest of the tracks range from atmospheric to intense melodies, but that song is just.. not up to par. It's not the music quality, it's the idea of some dude screaming about revolution on a stage. I think the same thing about the Link track on the Heroes v. Villains, and the Tunnel Rhino track on Maverick Rising.

Just an opinion. Thanks again for the album.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:24 AM

It must suck to be so turned off by the human voice... probably doesn't make life particularly easy for you. :<

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 02:13 AM

Here's the thing, pmac: I think you're spot on with your comments about the overall feel of a soundtrack. Emunator did a fantastic job squeezing the best possible songs out of the remixers, and Cody and Emu poured many hours into making sure the album flowed *perfectly*. Obviously, it shows, and it's really kind of you to mention that you noticed that.

That said, I think you're really doing a disservice to Robbie (AkumajoBelmont) and Jason by downplaying their track. It's a perfectly legitimate genre, and one that was MASSIVE in many portions of Europe for a long time. Certainly, "only for 12-year-olds" is rather inaccurate.

Everyone is, of course, firmly entitled to their personal opinions, and there's obviously going to be likes and dislikes of every song along the way. I would, however, entreat you to keep in mind that a LOT of work went into each song, and publicly decrying it as "sub-par" is not a terribly great way of approaching it.

Plus, if you're not a big fan of the Eurodance style, try the hard-edged breakbeat remix I did on the bonus disc! ;-)

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 04:18 AM

Mhm, I'm just expressing my opinion. Maybe the criticism was a bit too rough, I just can't imagine it being an uncommon sentiment. I'm very well aware of the hard work that went into all these songs. OCR is a great community, and I really appreciate that hard work that goes into the albums.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 08:58 AM

Mhm, I'm just expressing my opinion. Maybe the criticism was a bit too rough, I just can't imagine it being an uncommon sentiment. I'm very well aware of the hard work that went into all these songs. OCR is a great community, and I really appreciate that hard work that goes into the albums.


Well in my track-to-track review so far, I also didn't praise the song entirely as something I liked in terms of style. I was trying to piece it together as it played as a First Impression review, instead of listening over and over (and for 80 songs that's just crazy time I dont have).
BUT, despite that I'm also kinda "weird" when listening to vocal remix tracks, I put it aside, let it play and just listened. Subjectively looking at the song instead of just rejecting it due to my personal taste. Plus I was reviewing it so... I didn't want to be rude (acknowledging that I did knock Funky's Theme pretty good... I was still trying to review the song despite the genre and subject matter not in my palette).
It's not a style I like but there are many cool things going on in the song and the singer does have a good voice. It's production and arrangement sound pro too so despite where it may sit on my list of favs from the album, I wanted to be fair to anyone who may read the whole review.

I still gotta get Discs 3 and 4 going... but I have atleast another day or so of finals

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 08:30 PM

Is there a deadline for us giving album reviews to get the bonus stuff? I'd like to take a crack at it, but I have other things to focus on, so I'm not sure when I will do so.


Nope, no "deadline" or anything :-)

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:06 PM

I actually wish there were more lyrical songs on the album :s
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Posted 09 December 2012 - 10:11 PM

Slight oversight I found in the torrent file. The FLAC versions of FrosTronix and Dive in the bonus disc are not present.
Otherwise, I haven't enjoyed an OCR album this much since THE ANSWER. Congrats to everyone involved!

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 04:16 AM

I felt that the games OST held everything back. It's not nearly as good as the first or second games.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 06:22 AM

Absolutely fantastic project.

Will go through and leave more specific notes later.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 07:01 AM

OC ReMix is a place I visit once in a while to check out the latest mixes, and it has always saddened me that DKC3 (my favorite DKC game) had always been shafted with only a couple tracks. That’s why I don’t think ANYTHING could have topped the excitement and shock I felt when I found out about this album. I loved Kong in Concert and Serious Monkey Business, so much that I downloaded this album immediately and set aside the whole day to dive into the world of Double the Trouble! I even registered on here a day ago hoping to talk about how much of a masterpiece the album is.

...and um.... I’m sorry, but I’m just really angry that OC ReMix did this, because many tracks completely stripped the souls of the originals, and it pains me to say this because I love OCR. I want to love this album too, but I can’t. I’m just saying my opinion. I respect the work put into this album, but you can tell that, for the most part, it’s just too amateurish and not up to par with what you’d expect from OC ReMix.

Now, I don’t think the whole thing is like that. I liked Joe Elm (it’s very Crazy Calypso...y), Bash the Bastards!, Unfinished Business, Exploration C, Shenanigans, and Cliffside Clamber (which was AMAZING. I cried), these I’m keeping those on my playlist because they’re just like the originals. Good job, seriously.

But others... let’s take the opening track, “Road to Double Trouble” for instance. The original intro fanfare was zany, a good way to emerge yourself in the game with some xylophone and trumpets. This mix completely takes that away and changes it into a “moody” original track...and not only did directors Emulator and Cody do this track, but producer Flexstyle helped out too? The entire staff couldn’t even tell that it didn’t sound anything like the original? If they haven’t even played DKC3 or listened to its music I honestly wouldn’t be surprised.

Another good example is the “Funky’s Joint” track which starts out with.... a bong rip. This is a family game, so why taint it with drug references resembling the activities of some high school drop-out stoner? The other two albums didn’t have drug references, why start now?

“Don’t Drink the Water” turns the beautiful riverside music into some generic, upbeat “club-dance” mix that doesn’t sound anything like the original. I’m wondering how this got past the developers, because I don’t hear the original at all here. I’m starting to see a trend here.

“Banana Revolution (Live in Kongcert)”..is...um...interesting. Adding vocals in a video game remix can enhance the experience (I really liked the K. Rool death metal from DKC2 and I was anticipating “Enchanted” based on the preview). But adding druggy vocals (“Everything we know is gone / All that's left is just to move on,” None of it will matter in the end, wo-ah”) is enough for me to seriously consider having my ears stapled shut. Again, this is a family game. That and Cranky’s Showdown is the last track you’d imagine vocals on.

“Deep Sea Lights” had promise and... it turned into dubstep. In my eyes, dubstep is the lowest form of “music” in the world, if it can even be considered music as that would be too much of a compliment. The artist Theophany evidently has talent, considering he matched the mood of “Water World” adequately before the wubbadubbawub elements came into play. I’m sorry man, I want to like this but I cannot because I’m not deaf. I *know* you can do better.

And oh boy, this is just the first disc.

Disc 2 was even worse honestly. Half of the time I wondered whether or not the actual remixes were replaced with scrapped original tracks. For the most part, this album was the biggest disappointment of my life and I can’t believe I downloaded this multi-hundred megabyte album expecting a masterpiece, when I personally think it could’ve been much better knowing DKC3’s awesome music.


To Directors Emunator and Cody Wedel, instead of envisioning the DKC3 soundtrack in a “new” way like you seemingly intended, you should have taken some pointers from Kong in Concert and Serious Monkey Business. The latter one was the best album off the site, every track was just like the original including fan favorites like Bramble Scramble and Mining Melancholy (which had very good vocals that fit perfectly). I didn’t have to strain to recognize the original in any track like I did here.

As someone who didn’t even own a GBA or know DKC3 had a new soundtrack, Discs 3 and 4 sounded droned out and slightly boring with a few good tracks spread throughout. I only added 4 to my playlist: All Mixxed Up, Cranky’s Mojo, Distant Dreams on Stormy Seas (which is the DKC theme, right?) and "The Paper Chase" (the "Hit me's" sounded corny and reeked of a bad rapper trying to mask bad music with generic catch phrases, but I kept it). No offense to the artists, some were pretty enjoyable but simply not on par with “Serious Monkey Business Master Race.”

Hopefully my comments will be taken into serious consideration and OC ReMix makes a real DKC3 album sometime reasonably soon, not like the gargantuan wait for this disappointment. Thanks.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 08:27 AM

I think the same thing about the Link track on the Heroes v. Villains, and the Tunnel Rhino track on Maverick Rising.


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i love how you basically picked on me right there

i'm totally not into the 12 year old girl thing tho, bro

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the album is strong considering its size. i'm not normally a fan of such gargantuan works only because the density of the material will often dilute the emphasis on each track. too many tracks to keep a track of lol so to speak. you can attempt to treat each disc as its own album, of course...

either way, by law of sheer numbers there was undoubtedly going to be some tracks i probably wouldn't listen to very often and some that are going to be in the daily routine. that's just how it goes. if you like everything, that's awesome!

what cannot be denied is the amount of work the team behind the album put in. you guys are truly a credit to the community and a pleasure to work with. it's difficult enough managing a single compilation of a dozen or so tracks and making it a cohesive, presentable product... but doing so with enough music for multiple lifetimes is impressive regardless of the tracks themselves. good job

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 03:48 PM

it’s just too amateurish and not up to par with what you’d expect from OC ReMix.


This is starting off very badly.

Now, I don’t think the whole thing is like that. I liked Joe Elm (it’s very Crazy Calypso...y), Bash the Bastards!, Unfinished Business, Exploration C, Shenanigans, and Cliffside Clamber (which was AMAZING. I cried), these I’m keeping those on my playlist because they’re just like the originals. Good job, seriously.

But others... let’s take the opening track, “Road to Double Trouble” for instance. The original intro fanfare was zany, a good way to emerge yourself in the game with some xylophone and trumpets. This mix completely takes that away and changes it into a “moody” original track...and not only did directors Emulator and Cody do this track, but producer Flexstyle helped out too? The entire staff couldn’t even tell that it didn’t sound anything like the original? If they haven’t even played DKC3 or listened to its music I honestly wouldn’t be surprised.


You're missing the point. This was about setting up an epic journey, not preserving your idea of childhood nostalgia. That should be obvious from the album writeups.

Another good example is the “Funky’s Joint” track which starts out with.... a bong rip. This is a family game, so why taint it with drug references resembling the activities of some high school drop-out stoner? The other two albums didn’t have drug references, why start now?


There have been FAR more risque references and/or lyrical themes in past OC ReMixes. Swearing, references to being drunk, etc. What's the difference?

“Don’t Drink the Water” turns the beautiful riverside music into some generic, upbeat “club-dance” mix that doesn’t sound anything like the original. I’m wondering how this got past the developers, because I don’t hear the original at all here. I’m starting to see a trend here.


You have no sense of humor, clearly. :-P Seriously though, listen to it. The melodies are definitely there. I guarantee that. You wouldn't have liked the other interpretation that got scrapped, either, I think. And by "developers," do you mean "directors?"

“Banana Revolution (Live in Kongcert)”..is...um...interesting. Adding vocals in a video game remix can enhance the experience (I really liked the K. Rool death metal from DKC2 and I was anticipating “Enchanted” based on the preview). But adding druggy vocals (“Everything we know is gone / All that's left is just to move on,” None of it will matter in the end, wo-ah”) is enough for me to seriously consider having my ears stapled shut. Again, this is a family game. That and Cranky’s Showdown is the last track you’d imagine vocals on.



You're the only one who sees a drug reference here.

“Deep Sea Lights” had promise and... it turned into dubstep. In my eyes, dubstep is the lowest form of “music” in the world, if it can even be considered music as that would be too much of a compliment. The artist Theophany evidently has talent, considering he matched the mood of “Water World” adequately before the wubbadubbawub elements came into play. I’m sorry man, I want to like this but I cannot because I’m not deaf. I *know* you can do better.


Please, let us know how it feels up on your high horse some more. EDIT: Just looked at your profile and saw that you're a music teacher. No wonder you have no appreciation for musical innovation. Do I have to list how many musicians and composers were insulted similarly before history elevated them to their proper places?

Hopefully my comments will be taken into serious consideration and OC ReMix makes a real DKC3 album sometime reasonably soon, not like the gargantuan wait for this disappointment. Thanks.


They won't be, because you're wrong. Basically, what I read up there is something along the lines of "oh, I'm a genre snob, and I hate electronic music, and I'm going to take a dump all over the three years of work that sixty+ people spent on this bringing it to professional quality, endorsed by Dave Wise himself, and expect to get some kind of positive reaction."

I know I didn't have to go and respond to that, but as someone who sunk a LOT of my personal time and effort into this, I'm really offended. I don't care if you don't like it, but don't you dare insult me and others by insinuating that we deliberately made a pile of garbage.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 03:59 PM

Flex graced that review with a response, but for the record, I'm not sure it deserved one. At least not point-for-point, which suggests that an analysis of any weight was being put forth.

We are absolutely not interested in catering, kowtowing, or compromising for people who:

  • Are rude & belligerent ("I'd like to enjoy it, but I'm not deaf"),
  • Are closed-minded & dismissive (OMFG DUBSTEP ISN'T MUSIC - you *really* wanna be on the restrictive side of an argument about what is or is not music?), and...
  • Apparently have odd hangups about drug usage & "stoners" and insist on reading between the lines far too much and thinking that their values are the only TRUE values that should be represented (aka intolerant)
As site owner, I prefer to think that we're making music for the whole world to enjoy, and that VGM speaks a universal language, and that we should at all times have the tastes & interests of EVERYONE in mind, but frankly... there are some small exceptions.

Can you legitimately dislike this album for all sorts of reasons? I'm sure one could; I certainly don't, I've made that clear, but I allow it within my sphere of understanding that taste is subjective. This is not an epiphany of any great magnitude.

However, this type of individual is not who we're aiming to please, and I might go even further and assert that I'm proud to DISPLEASE such an audience, which apparently we have.

I shudder to think that these qualities are held by any sort of educator.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 04:15 PM

“Banana Revolution (Live in Kongcert)”..is...um...interesting... ...But adding druggy vocals (“Everything we know is gone / All that's left is just to move on,” None of it will matter in the end, wo-ah”) is enough for me to seriously consider having my ears stapled shut. Again, this is a family game.


You will be pleased to discover that the lyrics in that song have nothing to do with drugs, at all. I'm not sure how you made that connection, but I assure you, it has nothing to do with drugs and is in fact completely family friendly. When I first started working with Robbie, I explicitly told him I didn't want any lyrics that contained obscenities, drug references or anything that might offend. This was unnecessary, as Robbie turned out to hold the same position as I did on such content.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 04:23 PM

You will be pleased to discover that the lyrics in that song have nothing to do with drugs, at all.

Going on record as to doubting that the pleasing will subsequently occur. :lol:

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 05:09 PM

Haters gonna hate :roll:
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 07:46 PM

But others... let’s take the opening track, “Road to Double Trouble” for instance. The original intro fanfare was zany, a good way to emerge yourself in the game with some xylophone and trumpets. This mix completely takes that away and changes it into a “moody” original track...and not only did directors Emulator and Cody do this track, but producer Flexstyle helped out too? The entire staff couldn’t even tell that it didn’t sound anything like the original? If they haven’t even played DKC3 or listened to its music I honestly wouldn’t be surprised.


Road to Double Trouble was conceived with the idea of Fanfare in mind and in fact has all of the source...in fact, I even crafted a story behind the track so it *did* match the impact of the original. I really am sorry it didn't resonate well with you.

I'm happy you like Distant Dreams on Stormy Seas, though I'm not sure if that's an insult rather than a compliment given your other album feedback.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:50 AM

I shudder to think that these qualities are held by any sort of educator.


It's our fault, really... we just don't have the Killer College Chops that this guy does. :-(

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My only personal gripe about the album is that it's so long it makes gaining familiarity with it as a complete work pretty difficult, and I usually think such a thing is very important. I always focus on how a complete work will be accepted and I'm sure Emu had the same thing in mind perhaps, I just DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EVEN POSSIBLE~!

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 03:36 AM

My only personal gripe about the album is that it's so long it makes gaining familiarity with it as a complete work pretty difficult, and I usually think such a thing is very important. I always focus on how a complete work will be accepted and I'm sure Emu had the same thing in mind perhaps, I just DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EVEN POSSIBLE~!


I think the key is to take it in disc-sized chunks. Otherwise, it definitely gets super-overwhelming.


Either that or just take a long roadtrip with nothing but this in your stereo. From experience, that works quite nicely as well. 8-)




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