Jump to content

Recommended Posts

  • Replies 182
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

That's why I organize my music only using eight broad genres:

Pop

Rock

Rap

Electronic

Folk (incl. Jazz/Blues)

Classical

Indie

Indie Pop

Haha, well, uhh...

I like how indie and indie pop are their own separate categories from both each other and the main rock/pop categories...

But Folk and Jazz are grouped together... and they're about as polar opposite as it gets.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I love how it

aggressive album ambient angry bass brass cello chill chiptune cinematic classical collab compo dark duet electronica ethnic flute folk funk funky goofy guitar happy hip-hop industrial instrumental jazz latin live recording lyrics mellow metal new age orchestral organ piano pop rapping rock romantic sad sax sexy singing solo strings synth synths trance vibes violin vocal vocals winds world
Link to post
Share on other sites
Oh, wow...d'oy. Not the greatest tags in the world, to be honest. 'Cello'? 'Sexy'? Didn't know they were there.

What's wrong with either of those?

Also, I put this here because I merely airing the idea as a possibility. Mea culpa. Sorry about that.

If you're airing an idea specifically about the site, it belongs in Site Issues & Feedback.

Link to post
Share on other sites

We've talked about tags several times in this forum, and we hope to make it better in the future. Right now, the first 1000 mixes or so are not tagged save for a few, and complex searching is impossible. I know djp's plan is to eventually make the tags a bigger part of the site, and at least make searching by tag more prominent and more complex. I'd love for a remix to show you similar remixes. If you check out codebeard's site, he's already set up something similar to that using the tags we've applied.

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 5 months later...

i dont know if this goes under feedback or request but is there really no way to search genres?.youd think it would be obvious considering theres 2000+ songs.:???:and alot of these songs sound good even when you dont know the game its remixed from. if there is a genre optionn i just didnt see it please point it out. i dont mind looking stupid:-D:ocrgreen:

Link to post
Share on other sites

Here. It's a work-in-progress, so it might not cover all tracks. Or maybe it does, dunno how far they've come.

Not everything fits into genres, and if you're into one kind of music having genre tags and stuff helps you not listen to the many great things in other genres. Try everything.

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 6 months later...

After mostly lurking around on the site for just over a year, I really have only one request for the site: the ability to search mixes by genre. I know that this might be difficult to implement (what with having to go through around 2000 songs and classifying each one), but I think it would be worth the effort in the end. By having a genre search, it would be easier to find songs in styles that one likes, rather than the current system of random chance, stumbling across songs in the Russian ReMix Roulette or by random browsing.

My rough idea of how this would work is that each song would be given two "main" genres, e.g. Electronic and Orchestral. Then, each song could be given a set of secondary genres, such as Dance, Jazz, Latin, Ethnic, etc. Genres would most likely be assigned by the judges or djpretzel, dedpending on who reviews and posts the mix. From a layout standpoint, my first instinct says that on the page of search results, the one or two main genres would be listed on the right side, along with the post date. Secondary genres could be viewed on the ReMix detail page (along with the main genres), and could link to each genre's Genre page (like the pages for individual systems, ReMixers, and composers). It seems impractical to me for the search box on the front page to have a Search by Genre feature, because there would be a set list of genres; however, I like the idea of having a Browse Genres button beneath the search box that links to a page listing all the genres. (Unfortunately, this would make it hard to search for songs in two categories, such as if I wanted to only see songs that are both Dance AND Jazz.)

Secondary genres could be the same as main genres (meaning, for example, that Jazz could be used either as a main genre OR as a secondary genre) or they could be a separate set, although I think the former is a better system of classification. If the first system is used, it would probably settle into a pattern similar to the second system, with certain genres being used mainly for main genres and others being used mainly as secondary genres, but the first system leaves open more possibilities.

Here's my rough list of genres (in no particular order):

  • Orchestral
  • Electronic
  • Acoustic
  • Vocal / Choral (might need two separate genres)
  • Ambient
  • Hardcore (= not ambient?)
  • Dance
  • Jazz
  • Funk
  • Chiptune
  • Solo (generally for solo piano mixes)
  • Rock
  • Metal
  • Upbeat
  • Dark (or distorted...? Mazedude might need his own genre...)
  • Ethnic / World
  • Hip-hop/Rap (might be covered by Vocal)

Link to post
Share on other sites

For the longest time, the site staff refused to add this kind of feature, arguing it would make people miss out on great music because they would only look for remixes in a certain genre (I always browse by game myself, so I miss out on tons of great music anyway). Then, at some point, these tags were introduced. I shouldn't think the search results are complete, unless there's been some big effort to tag every remix for everything, and I don't think there has been. Also, the tags amount to more than just genre labeling; many remixes have been tagged for the instruments featured in them or the nature of their lyrics etc.

Link to post
Share on other sites
For the longest time, the site staff refused to add this kind of feature, arguing it would make people miss out on great music because they would only look for remixes in a certain genre (I always browse by game myself, so I miss out on tons of great music anyway).

Well to clarify, the main issues with genre labeling in the past have typically been based on tagging the mixes with specific genres instead of "Game:"

* In an MP3, you basically can tag a song as only 1 genre; for a lot of songs, that wouldn't be specific enough

* If you list more than 1 genre in the Genre field of an MP3, it's not standardized, and it looks clunky and inconsistent

* We have too many mixes with no primary or easy to classify genre, so within a framework designed to only show 1 genre, trying to address that for mixes with multiple genres was not worth the hassle

The focus of these suggestions had always been about re-doing the files and dropping Game as a genre, which we're never going to do. But when it dawned on djp that we could use a more robust blog-like tagging system to not have to be limited to only 1 description word/genre, we could use other descriptors that had absolutely nothing to do with genre (e.g. instrumentation, mood), and also NOT tie it to the MP3s themselves (eliminating the need to frequently revise the files), he was on board. And it took some convincing for other judges to be in favor of it, but the consensus was there that a classification system that wasn't limited would end up being beneficial.

The tags themselves are nowhere near done. When they are though, djp's plan is to integrate into the actual database so we can search mixes that way as well.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Stuff about ID3 tags

I'm not sure about whether you were just QFE-ing me or actually replying to me, but I wasn't actually referring to the MP3 files when I said I browse by game. I meant I look up a specific game here on the site, maybe even a specific song from its soundtrack, and I listen to the remixes thereof, not knowing their genre beforehand, because I don't really care. As I remember it, the ID3 limitation of only one genre was not the reason for not allowing visitors to this site to search for remixes in a particular genre. It was an ideological design choice, it was one of the reasons for the VGMix exodus, and I'm pretty sure it was explained in the FAQ back in the day, along with why we weren't allowed to share favorites lists on the boards. I'm not arguing against this ideology, I'm just saying.

Enter shameless other-plug: The tags are great, because even though I don't really care much about genre in general, and even though I think something like the worst thing that could happen to this place is if the front page would be transformed into a genre selection menu... sometimes you have an idea for a remix, you have a wip and that one is a certain genre, and you need inspiration or want to compare with existing remixes, and the tags help you find them. Or maybe you forgot everything about a remix you really liked (artist, game), and then you can search for an element in it, like "female vocals", thereby narrowing your search, and find the remix. Also, browsing by genre ironically helps me find great music I would normally miss out on because I typically browse by game. Maybe I'm on the lookout for anything with a banjo in it, and so I find a final fantasty (which I never played and therefore don't care much for) remix with a banjo in it and maybe I like it and start listening to other final fantasy remixes or even the OSTs. Mission accomplished, as far as djp is concerned.

Link to post
Share on other sites
I'm not sure about whether you were just QFE-ing me or actually replying to me, but I wasn't actually referring to the MP3 files when I said I browse by game. I meant I look up a specific game here on the site, maybe even a specific song from its soundtrack, and I listen to the remixes thereof, not knowing their genre beforehand, because I don't really care. As I remember it, the ID3 limitation of only one genre was not the reason for not allowing visitors to this site to search for remixes in a particular genre. It was an ideological design choice, it was one of the reasons for the VGMix exodus, and I'm pretty sure it was explained in the FAQ back in the day, along with why we weren't allowed to share favorites lists on the boards. I'm not arguing against this ideology, I'm just saying.

I was only just finding the community when VGMix started, but lack of genre labeling had nothing to do with it. The reason I bring up ID3 tagging is because before the advent of blogs and tag clouds, when most people pushed the genre labeling idea, the central idea to do it was retagging the files, and that's always been a sticking point for the reasons I mentioned. People wanted to be able to download every file, sort the ones with a genre of say, Rock, keep those, and then throw the rest away, which we hated the notion of. Doing labeling that's not limited to 1 term and not part of the MP3s themselves avoids that possibility entirely.

Enter shameless other-plug: The tags are great, because even though I don't really care much about genre in general, and even though I think something like the worst thing that could happen to this place is if the front page would be transformed into a genre selection menu... sometimes you have an idea for a remix, you have a wip and that one is a certain genre, and you need inspiration or want to compare with existing remixes, and the tags help you find them. Or maybe you forgot everything about a remix you really liked (artist, game), and then you can search for an element in it, like "female vocals", thereby narrowing your search, and find the remix. Also, browsing by genre ironically helps me find great music I would normally miss out on because I typically browse by game. Maybe I'm on the lookout for anything with a banjo in it, and so I find a final fantasty (which I never played and therefore don't care much for) remix with a banjo in it and maybe I like it and start listening to other final fantasy remixes or even the OSTs. Mission accomplished, as far as djp is concerned.

Yep, we had reservations, but aside from inertia/precedent, we ultimately felt the same way you do here. Some people will be picky douches about genres, but most others will explore more.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×
×
  • Create New...